Congratulations to Mr. Prewitt. It should be noted, however, that France’s highest order of merit is called the Legion of Honour (Légion d’honneur), not the Legion of Armour, and also that France doesn’t actually have knighthoods in the same sense as Britain does. “Chevalier” (knight) is indeed one of the Legion of Honour’s five levels, and the name is a holdover from the days when France still had an aristocracy, but the French nobility system went out the window with the French Revolution. I once saw a series of amusing cartoons depicting what life in France would be like today if the Bourbon monarchy hadn’t fallen, and one of them showed an irate air traveler standing at the ticket counter of “Royal Air France” and telling the ticket agent “But I’m a baron and I have a confirmed reservation!” The agent replies, “I’m sorry, sir, but the Duke of So-and-so has precedence over you, so we gave him your seat.” In fairness, the same sort of thing actually happens in real-life republican France. A few years ago, there was scandal involving one of the major D-Day anniversaries (I think it was the 50th one), when the French government contacted various hotels in Normany and appropriated some of their existing reservations so that various French officials could have rooms for the event. Some of those rooms, however, had been reserved by foreign veterans of the D-Day invasion. When the story broke on the front page of French newspapers (under such headlines as “Our Liberators Insulted!”), public opinion was outraged and the French government beat a hasty retreat. The prevailing editorial opinion over this affair was: Do this to our own citizens if you want, but don’t do this to the heroes who ended the occupation of France.
What was the best all-purpose tank of WWII?
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T-34, without a doubt.
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@Brain:
all-purpose tank of WWII?
What is an all-purpose tank?
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I would go w. Panzer IV as well and extend what Kruppstahl allready mentioned!
Besides the diffrent series of Panzer IV the germans produced ,P IV were also used as
-Command Tanks
-AA gun Tanks such as Wirbelwind,Ostwind…
-Tank destroyers such as Jagdpanzer and Nashorn
-Artillerytanks and Sturmgeschuetz such as Hummel or Brummbaer…Sturmgeschuetz IVPanzer IV were modified for Operation sealion to dive/swim to the coast from a certain drop off point.
Panzer IV’s saw action in Russia, Italy,France,Africa and Syria and were long time in duty for the Turks and other Nations.
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@Brain:
all-purpose tank of WWII?
What is an all-purpose tank?
I guess I should re-phrase that as best all around tank, I didn’t want to know which had the best gun, fastest speed, most durable. I wanted an opinion on which tank had the best combination of factors that make a great tank.
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In a Discovery Channel episode on WW2, they asked some tank crew veterans from WW2, and none of them would want to be in an allied tank even if they knew that Germany lost the war. All of them choose the Tiger tank.
Tiger 1 was only produced for about 1300 units, but it was hands down the best tank in the WW2. Some elite Tiger divisions/platoons managed a 13-1 kill ratio! Generally it was 7-1 for the Tiger. Even the jet fighter ME 262 managed “only” 5-1 ratio. There was no allied ground material that could compete against the Tiger tank if both sides had numbers at parity.
Try setup an Indian Bengal Tiger against a dog…… :-D :-) 8-) :lol: :-P :evil: :roll:
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@Brain:
@Brain:
all-purpose tank of WWII?
What is an all-purpose tank?
I guess I should re-phrase that as best all around tank, I didn’t want to know which had the best gun, fastest speed, most durable. I wanted an opinion on which tank had the best combination of factors that make a great tank.
If it comes down to that I still go w. a solid Panzer IV but include a Panther G as well…and on top of it the Panther G comes w. nightvision goggles… :-D :-o 8-)
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T-34/85,
it could be mass produced and it could compete with anything in battle.
for the Soveits it was like having their cake and eating it too.
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T-34/85 would get my vote, followed by the Panzer IV.
The T-34 was the best all-purpose tank. It’s wide tracks allow for great offroad abilities. The 76.2 mm gun was one of the best guns of the war. The tank was well armored. The typical Soviet enginniering allowed for easy replacment of parts. Great tank.
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My thoughts exactly, the T-34 was used throughout the world well into the late 80’s!
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The T-34 and the German Panther. But the King Tiger tank deserves mention too.
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In a 1vs1 fight, would any of you choose the T34 against the Tiger?
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During WW2,
Tiger 1, numbers built 1347,
T-34, numbers built 57000……!Anyone who is stupid enough to think that 57000 Tiger tanks would not win the war for Germany???
How about 40000 Tiger tanks against the Russians and 17000 Tiger tanks against the allies after they landed in Normandy?
Or maybe 50000 Tigers in Moscow, 7000 Tigers in France to slow down allies, and then the 50000 Tigers heading for France…would you rather be somewhere else, perhaps?
That wouldn’t even be funny, and I would not be able to type this message in English, (as I’m Norwegian).
Ach, scheisse :mrgreen:
57000 Tiger tanks…just think about it for a few seconds… :mrgreen:
Anecdote: After the WW2, the Germans were prohibited to some extent in designing and producing tanks, b/c they were too good. Almost like a $50 axis (unit) bid in Revised/AA42/AA50 :-)
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I see what your point is and it is valid, the Tiger had a longer range and a more destructive cannon with an 88 as a gun turret making it more powerful head to head. But the question on the thread was best all purpose tank. In my own interpretation that means durability effectiveness, repairability, and longevity. In those terms I believe the T-34 out classes the Tiger. The Germans had multiple problems with the Tiger due to its sheer size and mechanics, it would break down quite often. The Tiger was not as reliable as its predecessor Panzers like the Mark IV.
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When I asked the question I thought it would be unanimous for the Tiger. But I have heard some convincing arguments for the T-34.
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I interpreted the question that it was about the all-purpose best tank in WW2, and not the best tank design philosophy. Tiger was better in defense than offense, so probably the Panther is a good candidate also, but US+Russia had great numbers, much more than Germany.
The T-34 was one of the most cost-effective tanks in WW2, and so it was a great tank-design-philosophy. But the best tank overall, was the Tiger 1, with Panther in a second place.
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Tiger 1.
For Germany’s enemies T34. -
All purpose tank status must take into consideration production. It’s the most important consideration in total war.
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I think you’re partially right. All purpose also means the tank can effectively fight tanks, infantry and bunkers. Also needs to be able to cross all sorts of difficult terrain.
The Sherman was very cost effective, but in every other aspect was outclassed by nearly every German tank.
It also depends of the situation of the country producing the tanks. Does the nation have enough metal? Labourers? Factories? The US had enough all of those so should have been able to develop a better tank and don’t allow your tank crews to be burned alive with every hit taken. While Germany had hardly enough of labour, (undamaged) factories and metals, they still developed the best tanks from that era.
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