I thought the secret in 42, was to maintain a navy in the baltic?
I could be mistaken…
Should Germany take Brazil G1?
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Tactic: Brazil declaration of war.
As the US, I generally build an IC in Brazil turn 1
On the next turn, a single transport, 1 infantry and 1 tank
By third turn, this complex is dedicated to transport 2 units to Africa.The transport being in the far south atlantic does not need escort, short of Germany moving bombers in France or fighters in Africa. ( But you can see it coming way ahead. )
Does not look like much but this strategy pretty much stopped Italy’s African adventure in all the games I played and did not require a massive fleet.
Oh, another thing, knowing i can bring troops this way in Africa, if I see Germany transport alone and taking Egypt turn 1, I always sacrifice UK bomber to sink it no matter what, and land in Persia. It might looks like 12 ipc for 7 ipc is a loss but Germany can’t rebuild that transport anytime soon.
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get a factory there and then strat bomb the USA
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I’d typically be using that transport for shuffling troops into Africa. Maybe if after a few turns the transport just so happened to be close enough, and the US just so happened not to have anything in strike range, then maybe. Other factors will dictate if it’s just a hit-and-run or committing to an IC. Either way, expect to get hit hard, Monroe Doctrine style. A Brazilian IC might just be giving yourself a poison pill :-P.
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@Corbeau:
The transport being in the far south atlantic does not need escort, short of Germany moving bombers in France or fighters in Africa. ( But you can see it coming way ahead. )
It’s pretty rare for Germany not to station a bomber in France, especially since it will force you to spend money on additional covering fleet, while still being in range of the Russian front and North Africa
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Yea but even from France, it still forces the German bomber to land in Africa if you hit the southern Atlantic. We talking of shuffling troops trough Sea zone 22 and 23 here.
This means German cannot even land in Moroco Algeria or Egypt if operating from France. The only way to hit that US transport from France is to land in central Africa. That scenario is not likely to happen since you are shuffling troops in central Africa.
From game experience, that US transport is pretty much safe unless German Bomber is based in Egypt ( Or Algeria but I don’t see a German Bomber live long there ). If the German bomber happens to be in Egypt ( or Algeria ), well, the transport can rejoin the main fleet in one turn at Gibraltar sea zone 12 to drop in Algeria ( killing it if it’s there). Or simply go in Pacific if it’s needed there.
Also, at worst, you still can pop in Brazil whatever you need to protect it from a lone bomber if you really want to keep at it. In short, it’s too far for Germany to really be able to do anything worthwhile to prevent you from landing in Africa. Yet, 1 tank, 1 infantry per turn will make sure you hold Africa as long you sink German Transport with UK bomber if they went for Egypt G1.
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I think that it is highly likely that the Axis will control Sudan by the start of G3, giving the bomber a safe place to land
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By German Turn 3, US did not play yet. The transport is still in seazone 22 preparing for it’s first drop. To strike seazone 22 on german turn 3, the bomber need to land somewhere on allied controlled Africa’s south west coast. Sudan is too far.
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Taking Brazil doesn’t look like a great move.
You lose
1 transport
1 infantry
you gain
3 IPC and deny USA from 3 IPC.He can easily take back Brazil, kill that transport and that infantry. Probably with 0 loss.
Total loss : 10 IPC of units - 3 IPC for Brazil = -7IPCThe only possible gains from that are :
A) If he takes more than 1 round to take it back (in other word, he wasn’t expecting that)
B) If by retaking Brazil, he wastes his transports/aircraftI don’t think it is a good idea.
Robert
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@Corbeau:
By German Turn 3, US did not play yet. The transport is still in seazone 22 preparing for it’s first drop. To strike seazone 22 on german turn 3, the bomber need to land somewhere on allied controlled Africa’s south west coast. Sudan is too far.
You are correct, I guess I should be referring to G4, where you can easily pick it off in SZ23 from France
Why not just shuck guys to Alg and run an trn down to SZ23 as required (and when “safe” to do so), thereby spending only $7-$14 on extra transports (which give you more flexibility) as opposed to the IC @ $15
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If Germany has paratroopers, can they land in Brazil, an Allied open territory?
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If Germany has a bomber and infantry in Morocco, then yes.
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If Germany has paratroopers, can they land in Brazil, an Allied open territory?
I cant see why not
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Thanks for confirming that!!
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@DY:
@Corbeau:
By German Turn 3, US did not play yet. The transport is still in seazone 22 preparing for it’s first drop. To strike seazone 22 on german turn 3, the bomber need to land somewhere on allied controlled Africa’s south west coast. Sudan is too far.
You are correct, I guess I should be referring to G4, where you can easily pick it off in SZ23 from France
Why not just shuck guys to Alg and run an trn down to SZ23 as required (and when “safe” to do so), thereby spending only $7-$14 on extra transports (which give you more flexibility) as opposed to the IC @ $15
How would it be safer to shuck down in Algeria? We established you can’t hit sea zone 24, so I already can pretty much move to sea zone 23 when “safe” to do so from there.
I normally setup my main fleet turn 3 in sea zone 7 to swap France. So the whole France bomber issue is rarely one for that long. Turn 2 I do merge in seazone 12 to get a drop in Algeria but that’s the only time I drop there.
Also, worse case scenario if France hold, it’s not that hard to protect a transport from a lone bomber.
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I never said it was safer than the IC.
I said having an extra transport or two gives you more flexibility than the IC.
And I said “when it is safe” you can move from Algeria down into Congo etc.
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Have you considered:
- It takes 4 transports to achieve the same rate of drops in Congo 1 single transport can do from Brazil. You are still 1 transport short.
- Also, even before reaching seazone 23, how thoses multiple transports survive the trip from east coast to seazone 12 after the drop in Algeria? You will need support ships, aka way more than 15 ipcs…
‘‘I said having an extra transport or two gives you more flexibility than the IC.’’
I disagree. One sure thing is that an IC with a prod of 2+ is worth 4 transports as soon your supply lines overstretch 2+ turns away. That’s without mention of the fact you won’t need to protect each joint of an equivalent transport chain. This is especially more true in AA50 as transports don’t count as casualties.
There is cons, notably the posibility of ennemy capture or SBR, but overall if the option to build an IC to shorten transport routes is there, it’s normally always a better move than buying 3 more transports to achieve the same ''reinforcement" rate on the frontline. This said, as long you have the income to use thoses ICs but then again, your extra transports would be idle as well.
But I guess it’s really another debate, IC or transports :P
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I am assuming you want to drop in Algeria anyway.
Remember Algeria costs the Axis $6 though, which is why 3 trn into Alg each turn with another 2 trn ($14) swapping into SZ12 & 23.
The added flexibility is that in a pinch you can dump 10 troops into Algeria of Congo if required.
But yea, if you are running KJF, then Brazil would be better I guess (but less flexible as all you can really do is shuck into SZ23).
I normally run 60% KJF 40% KIF, which makes spending around $20 a turn on 5 dudes and a tank good, with the little shuck into Congo.
And if Japan ever takes it’s foot off the gas I can spend around $30-$35 getting enough to fill 4-5 trn in the Atlantic.
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