How do you plan to do this, Bunnies?
With teh jenforces! (hums A-Team theme)
Pretending you have all your fighters and bombers in range of SZ 14, why should Germany care? They can just unify their fleet in SZ 7 and take England instead. If you leave your fighters to defend the homeland, then the Germans can kill the SZ 15 fleet.
Why pretend? India fighter plus Anglo-Egypt fighter at sea zone north of Anglo-Egypt, two other UK fighters in Russia, UK bomber at Russia. UK fighters at Russia have range to south of Western Europe with the UK carrier; the UK carrier fighters can hit waters south of S. Europe and land in Africa.
All of this is, of course, DISCRETIONARY - the UK can wait to see Germany’s turn. UK does not HAVE to do this; UK can opt instead to unite the UK fleet against Japan. And all that movement mentions NO buy by UK1; UK can easily buy 5 inf 3 tank or some such to make a German capture of London impossible. (Although UK is probably better served by buying other units.)
You seem to think Germany is locked into keeping their fleet in range of 4 fighters, bomber, transport, 2 destroyers and a carrier and they just are not.
There’s nowhere else for the German fleet to go on G2 except to the waters south of Western Europe, and even then the 4 fighters of the UK air (and of course the navy and the bomber) will be in range if UK buys a carrier on UK2 to land the fighters that start in the sea zone north of Anglo-Egypt.
Even if they were, what’s to stop Germany from building two Aircraft Carriers and a Submarine on G2? That would effectively destroy any chance England would have of sinking the fleet on G2. And no, you would NOT be able to conceal England’s move because England goes after Germany. You would have to move the two fighters from England to Russia on UK 1 to have them in range. (Maybe W. Russia, but that forces Russia to lock down their infantry, and I don’t think anyone wants to do that when there is an option not too.)
If Germany buys mass navy on G2, UK should be just as happy considering the Russians have a 10-13 less ground units to worry about.
Correct, you WOULD have to move the UK fighters to Russia on UK1, but the ONLY reason for UK NOT to do so is even BETTER German targets in the water - in which case UK can always opt instead of sending the UK Indian fleet north of Anglo-Egypt to put up a defense of India with the extra infantry, tank, and fighter spared from Anglo-Egypt and possibly contest Japanese control of the west Pacific.
So what we have is 5 possible options for Germany on G2:
1) England put her fighters in Russia and moved her fleet into SZ 15.
2) England and America joined forces in SZ 8. In which case, you better have built some destroyers or something to keep the 5 Fighters, 2 Bombers from sinking the combined allied fleets in SZ 8 and to do that, you would have negated purchases for the protection of England opening up a Sea Lion attempt.
If 5 fighters 2 bombers is all that is in range of SZ 8 and London is threatened, the London invasion threat is 5 inf 1 bomber 1 inf 1 tank unless you’re proposing a G1 Med fleet move to south of Western Europe which is SUCH a HUGE change that you HAVE to mention it. Anyways, US can add 2 inf 1 art 1 tank 1 fighter 1 bomber and UK can add 1 tank - this is without buying anything - for defense of 1 AA gun 4 inf 2 art 2 tank 1 fighter 1 bomber. UK can EASILY afford a carrier and four infantry to lock up London, and assuming the Med fleet is out of range, that’s a London defense force of 1 AA gun 8 inf 2 art 2 tank 1 bomber and a SZ8 fleet of 4 transport 1 sub 1 destroyer 1 carrier 2 fighter 1 battleship. True, the Germans can kill a lot of that, but it is probable that any sort of attack on that fleet will be very expensive for Germany (again, unless Germany moved its Med fleet WEST, which is such a HUGE difference that you have to mention it)
3) England and America joined forces in SZ 12 allowing the Germans to hit you with Submarine, 5 Fighters, 2 Bombers sinking yout fleet and unifying destroyer, 2 submarines, 2 transports and a battleship in SZ 7.
Unification in SZ 12 is just silly with a German Med fleet sitting at S. Europe or south of W. Europe. But look, you’re proposing German Med fleet south of W. Europe if you’re proposing German fleet unification in SZ 7 west of Western Europe (would you PLEASE refer to sea zones with geographical reference instead of these arcane numbers?) Anyways in this case UK/US can still send fleet to E. Canada and northwest of UK and build UK ground to prevent German invasion of London, and as you make no mention of a Baltic fleet buy, UK could attack the Baltic fleet (and of course keep the UK Indian fleet out of the Med.
4) England invaded SZ 15, but did NOT bring the fighters from England into range of SZ 14 in which case Germany can either attack SZ 8/12 or just unify SZ 7 or build a small set of naval fodder and stationed herself in SZ 14 to sink the British fleet on Germany 3.
England shouldn’t make a mistake of this magnitude, so discussion of that point is moot. It is so dumb to bring the UK fleet to SZ 15 north of Anglo-Egypt but not bring any fighters to within range of S. Europe that it simply shouldn’t happen.
5) England did something smart, retreated everything it could and let Germany control the Med without invasion.
Again, England doesn’t HAVE to do this. My point is that the UK can RESPOND to the German move, and the Germans leaving Anglo-Egypt alone gives UK that many more options.
The only SMART option is for England to retreat. All other options bring death and destruction to either the British fleet OR the British Fleet AND the British Air Force. (No serious American fleet units can be put in range for Germany to wreak havoc on American naval might by that time.)
As I said earlier - Germany can FORCE the UK to stay out of the Med, but it is horribly costly to the Germans. I will pay the price of an arm if I can get an arm and a leg for it.
Darth:
The idea is to absolutely destroy the British if they get in range. Since Germany spent just about everything on ground purchases, opting for the Bomber in lieu of the carrier (thus +1 IPC for ground forces not normally spent there on Germany 1) I fail to see how Russia is “walking all over Europe and into Berlin.”
Not into Berlin, but into Europe. The G2 land purchase is key to the German advance. You could get some more milage out of Europe by draining forces from Africa, but any sort of German fleet buy has to be very worth it.
If England does something stupid and gets in range of the Germans, then yes, Germany MAY for go one round of ground purchases. So they don’t invade in and Russia gets an extra 3 IPC for one round. However, the British and Americans are no threat allowing Germany to put 100% effort into killing the Russians without worrying about England and America for the next 2 or 3 rounds.
The Germans have to keep their Med fleet at least at S. Europe to prevent a UK/US landing at Algeria. This means no German Med fleet use against Ukraine/Caucasus/Transjordan/AngloEgypt, which means that a great deal of the German power is being left unused at a time when Russia has a lot of ground forces moving through Europe.
Russia retains additional territory in Europe for a lot longer than one round. The G2 production is what allows a G4 take and hold of Ukraine. The additional German bomber helps, and you can halve the German air force between Western and Eastern Europe, but doing so makes it easier for the Allies to land at Algeria, and there’s no substitute for cheap German fodder.
Through all this UK and US shipping is probably out of danger. If worst comes to worst, the Allies can set up a E. Can-London-Norway/Karelia/Archangel route to reinforce Russia. Considering the German sacrifices made to this point, the Allies still have a very solid game.
So yes, while you have a nice army in Algeria and a small fleet in SZ 12 and a small fleet in SZ 15, as I showed above, Germany sinks the SZ 12 fleet at the cost of 3 fighters and a submarine (5 fighters, 2 bombers, submarine vs 4 transports, destroyer, battleship, submarine) and unifies her fleet in SZ 7.
But again the Allies can SEE this coming. The Allies don’t HAVE to land at Algeria considering that you’re talking about the German Med fleet south of Western Europe 5 fighters at W. Europe and 2 bombers in Germany at end of G1. The Allies can see that.
What’s England going to do, seriously? Sure, you have a wee little fleet in SZ 15, cut off from the world and no way to escape. It’ll be a full two rounds before America and England can liberate Egypt, that’s two rounds for Germany to move the combined fleet back to SZ 13 and then sink the British if they want too.
If Germany leaves Anglo-Egypt alone on G1, the UK will have enough forces to either secure Anglo-Egypt or at least reclaim it from German without significant delay. Response to UK India fleet in SZ 15 north of Anglo-Egypt as previously stated. Again, I do not see that there is a significant ADVANTAGE to Germany - Germany buys time with a naval purchase, but gives Russia more time in exchange.
If you do not stack in SZ 12, Germany can still unify if they want and cost you a pretty penny if you attack them in SZ 7 and then slip back into the Med where they are protected. (Later putting up a carrier if they want to be a real pain.) That’s assuming, of course, SZ 8 isn’t a really juicy target and, of course, assuming that England is actually defended enough to stop Sea Lion. 2 Transports plus battleship, 5 fighters and 2 bombers is going to be a lot of firepower on England.
At most, it’s 1 transport 5 fighters 2 bombers. It DOES hurt for the Allies to block the German Med fleet with a Russian sub, but that move does leave the Allies with a lot of options and less trouble defending London. Note that a Russian sub block also allows for an early unified Allied fleet at SZ 8 - although I don’t think I would personally prefer to do this as I prefer to preserve forces.
So, as I said, unless someone sees a really big hole somewhere, Germany’s sitting very pretty no matter what England does on UK 1. There’s nothing the Allies can do to stop Germany from either Unification of their fleet or Sinking the British fleet. You just don’t have enough equipment on UK 1 and US 1 to make a difference.
That part about the Allies being forced to choose between German fleet unification and the loss of the Allied Atlantic fleet MAY be true to some extent (although I think without a G1 carrier build German fleet unification is risky due to the Allies being in range with fleet and navy).
But in any event, I do not see that German move of NOT attacking Anglo-Egypt on G1 (moving German Med fleet west, buying 1 bomber plus perhaps 8 infantry landing 5 fighters at Western Europe) to result in a superior German position. Germany must PAY for the gains it gets, which I think leaves the Allies with at least an equitable position (I actually think superior, but I can leave that to argue for at LEAST equity.)