German Subs

K thanks!

You are, for two reasons.  First, subs fire or submerge before anything else fires, unless there is an enemy destroyer in the battle.  Second, air units can’t hit subs unless there’s a destroyer friendly to the air units in the battle.  So, in the case of only air units attacking only subs, the subs can submerge before the air units fire, but even if they don’t the air units can’t hit them.

but what I’m saying is that germany would use too much IPC taking england and would not have enough forces to take russia. In those extra turns russia will have the forces from moscow and Stalingrad on the front and will be a strong force. I was a little liberal with the strategy though. In my opinion if England can buy enough infantry to make it a 50/50 deal, and get the germans to invest the money into a Sea-Lion, than I would think it would be a gamble that the allies would be more than welcome to take. But I agree you should not give your capital too the germans… even though I recently said too… I= fool.

@rock`n:

on page 23 there is written:
germany
“5 IPC if Axis powers control either novgorod or volgograd.”

does it mean, that the german player can get up to 10 IPC when controlling both cities?

No.

@rock`n:

United kingdom/United states

“collect a one-time payment of 5 IPCs if the first time UK/USA forces capture or liberate one of the following territories: normandy, holland or western germany.”

does it mean, that UK/USA can gain up to 15 IPCs or maximum 5 IPCs? for me as not a native speaker of english it is not quite clear.
if someone as UK or USA captures holland he gains 5 IPCs. okay, but when the same player occupies normandy next round or in the same round. what is then? etc.

The payment is received only the first time that one of those territories is captured/liberated by each power.  Nothing further is received for capturing or liberating another of the territories.  Each power may earn only 5 IPCs per game from this NO.

Amen. Sounds like it worked for you because it is possible that not all Russian players will send everything to Moscow. They leave too much holding the other cities and its all yours because of out-maneuvering their slow infantry.

In the game I just recently played Russia took a aggressive stance. Germany took England on G2 and attacked Russia on G4. I would say I wasn’t in the best possible spot but when Russia decided to hold ground and counter it made it much harder for Germany. I would say the key to a Russian success ( slow the Germans) would be a Airforce. From there you are able to counter attack with Inf. and Art. all across the front.

@Gargantua:

Put units on the eastern front in offensive positions, that although look offensive are really Defensive.

Russia usually backs off and leaves a 1 inf buffer.

If it makes sense like it did for me, attack the buffer intelligently, but if it looks ugly,  Then just DONT attack on Germany 4.  You still get + 5 IPC’s for not being at war, you buy yourself an EXTRA turn against Russia, because likely since you’ve planned for a defence he can’t attack any of your territories, and if he does, you have Defenders advantagee.

No one seems to predict, that G4 moves might not encompass an attack on Russia.  Depending on how Russia’s defense is aligned aswell, you can head north or south.

Coupling that option with a mediterranean strategy, is not necessarily a bad idea.  The only outstanding concern is the Russia navy, but chances are it’s suicide for him to attack you too.

I concur, with intelligent placing of German units on the eastern front i see no reason why you could not put of the invasion of USSR, which would help in strengthening locations and getting Strat Bombers and other military resources into position.

While ofcourse the US/UK forces are a threat, the UK should be less so, as proposed before German subs should be hitting supply lines hard and Axis troops should be pushing through to South Africa and Troops permitting even into the Sudan and across to UK controlled India. Overall the aim is to ensure when the landings do happen the only player will only really be the US and with the troops Germany has been building for the previous 4 turns should be in a position to repel the first landings, combined with Destroyer blocks should hopefully mire US forces.

I’m aware that US IPC is still larger than (though they have to purchase fleet and air support to safely get them across the ocean) Germany however hopefully the greater cooperation between the Axis in Africa can only prove to make Italy stronger back in Europe and much more capable of adding real support for the Axis to fight against Allied assault in europe.

Though as you suggest the USSR fleet could be perhaps (most likely  :roll:) a problem, untill i actually try a game i can’t really see what numbers will be involved on both sides, though i actually wanted to get a chance to play Allies in our next game i’m itching to get another go at playing the Germans

Arminius Germanicus is correct.  Pro-Allies neutral is still neutral.

From another thread:

@WILD:

Thanks Krieghund, Russia being able to invade neutrals (and how to do it) before its at war w/Euro axis will be a great tool.

One other thing, is Russia (when not at war w/Euro axis) able to pass through Denmark straight?

@Krieghund:

Yes, if Germany gives its permission.

Interesting.  I wonder if the game comes with pre-printed permission slips.  :-D

See thread here: http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=19609.15