British IC in HK

There is an airport and a habour on the phillipines.

I think this IC would only be a lavish present for the Japs.
You only have to gift-wrap it  :-D

I think it dosen´t matter how much units you can bring in there on Turn1,
Jap will take it with combined forces on J2 or J3 and saves in addition the IPC for building a (major?) IC in Asia. While UK just spends money 12/30IPC for the IC wich will belong to japs 1 or 2 turns later.
So in therory it doesn´t make sense for me, but I admit that sometimes it´s very good to surprise your opponent with unconventional ideas/tactics. Maybe this will break his long term plan (to take India or Australia), b/c of the new situation. So give it a chance,
but for me playing as Jap a would make a joyful leap if UK builds an IC (major or minor) in Hong Kong for me…. Excellent the Tenno would say  :evil:

Clyde,

It’s in the Pacific '40 errata.

Errata
Setup: The following errors exist in the setup cards:
United States: Add an airbase and a naval base to the Philippines.
ANZAC: Remove the minor industrial complex from New Zealand, and change the major
industrial complex in New South Wales to a minor industrial complex.

PDF version here > http://www.wizards.com/AvalonHill/rules/AA Pacific 1940 FAQ_VER1.pdf

Cheers.

I think your missing the point.Its not ment to be a war winning offensive spring-board,

I am aware of this… it uld rather be a war winning defensive as you described it.

but a place that Japan has to attack

Japan attack HK anyway with or w/o IC - b/c of the NOs.
Ignoring HK with Japan is simply not possible I guess…

and send a good chunk of dedicated offensive resources

enough offensive resources are already there at the start,
it only delays striking china for 1 (maybe 2) turn(s)

and where the British can hope to inflict serious casualties.

thats the only good point, but if it fails you loose much IPC you could have spend in India for 1-3 turns. It leaves you with no significant defense forces to stop the japs from going to india. In fact it makes them easier for it - at least thats my evaluation.

In this way, it keeps Japan from running amuck in the DEI for a turn or 2. In conjunction with the US move in the Phillipines, it forces Japan to attack these very strong defensive positions, where casualties could be very serious. Now Japan is forced into playing a reactionary game, as opposed to the allies. I supppose Japan could attack the US and UK on turn 2 if they wanted, but they would then have to deal with the other axis players wanteding to smack him more than likely  grin

OK from this point of view I understand your idea, but I am not really convinced…
In the end all Allies (except US) to their best to slow down the axis (at all costs) until US joins the war… This way you will win nearly every game as allies, extremly boring I think, but thats how the game works. So Yes this strat could work BUT in AAGlobal it depends on how your Co-Axis player will act or react, so your question cannot really be answwered I think…

It’s in the Pacific '40 errata.

Indeed it is, a longt time now - bought Pacific in Feb/March this year,
the errata was already available at this time,
so look out for it  :-D

Also, I have heard a bunch of people mention something about reducing the starting Japanese airforce by 7 planes, dose anyone know where this is comming from or if this is offically posted?

It called the Alpha Scenario, you can find it on Larry Harris Site or here somewhere
(sould have been made sticky thread from the admins  :roll:)
There is alo more changed, additional Inf for China, moved UK ships (so Japs cannot kill transports in J1 attack) but also the Aircrafts of the allies were reduced in the same scale.

@Clyde85:

Also, I have heard a bunch of people mention something about reducing the starting Japanese airforce by 7 planes, dose anyone know where this is comming from or if this is offically posted?

That would be Larry’s “Scenario Alpha” which is being considered as a fix to Pacific '40. It’s not an official change yet.  Still, many people are using it as they’ve found Japan’s airforce too powerful.

It can be found here > http://harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2568 (it’s also been posted elsewhere on these forums).

I am not to sure Axis move in Europe will greatly effect how the British India player moves.

Think Global  :lol:

I don´t had a special move or something in mind,
but I am convinced that Axis (especially Italy and Germany) had to coordianate their actions if they want to have a chance to win the game. The allies aren´t depending (except sea lion was sucsessful) on each other in such a scale.
Germany and Italy has to hold long enough that Japan can become that beast
wich will help bring down russia. With experienced players as russian it´s nearly Impossible for Germany to sucsessfully conduct Barbarossa alone.

1. Russia has more IPC to spend
2. Russia has no real enemy but 18 Inf in the east.
3. If Japs are stupid enough to attack Russia J1 instead of heading to India or Australia,
   that would break their back IMO. You cant take away Russia enough IPC while loosing
   valuable territories in the pacific b/c you used too much units in the north.
   I think this didn´pay out.
4. US has more IPC (especially pre-war +17IPC)
5. Germany gets NO Damn Bonus for Global, people who say they can easily preform
   sea lion are rediculous. You can never defend London against the US in Gobal.
   So that dosen´t count as advancement for me…

Also, given the odds, having 4inf, 4ftrs, 3arm and a tac, is going to be a tough nut to crack, espically with the high defensive value of the fighters.

Alpha Setup reduces Fighters for UK US and ANZAC too, so count again whats left for defense.

The US, in this scenario, will have 4inf 5ftrs and 4tacs in the Phillipines, which according to odds, is a very potent force, and it should inflict several casualties, in several rounds of fighting, similar to the HK force.

How that when half of the US AirForce is gone trough Alpha Scenario ?

doing so might exaust Japans offensive resources.

Thats how the war is won for the allies

BTW.
IS the US allowed to land Units in Hong Kong on US1 while not at war with Jap ?
I don´t think so…… and if Jap Attack UK on J1 you probarbly dosen´t have Hong Kong anymore when your turn starts  :-D

another point to consider is would Japan attack the British early to get the IC if it meant bringing the US into the war early?

I am thinking global, and I dont see the Euro-axis threating India in the first 3 turns of the game.

That wasn´t my intended point.

Once you add in the Soviets 18inf in the north,

What do you mean with add ? Attack Jap with 18Inf ?

but most players wil disagree, and insist that attacking Russia is the only way to go as Japan

I think thats a result of the previous AAA games,
especially in the 2nd Edition (we played most in our group) it was the way to go.

And Just so we’re clear, this stratgey dose not account for the changes made by the “alpha scenario”.

OK

I dont think the game in the pacific needs to be changed that much, outside of what is listed in the offical errata.

So you one of a few who believe that….
Personally I think once the Alpha Scenario (or Beta, gamma, delta whatever will maybe follow) is approved by most of the gaming comunity, WOTC will follow and make it “official”.

I did this in a game, results were mixed

The important thing is that it took almost the entire Japanese force earmarked for the DEI off course to take out Hong Kong. It was a bloodbath, the UK-Pacific Command lost more than it could afford to replace, but gained immense ammounts of time in exchange. The threat it presented to Japan meant they had to leave the DEI alone untill their 5th turn, and couldnt attack Russia, or threaten the US or ANZAC.

Combined with moving the US fleet to Hawaii on US1, it presented the Japanese with an overload of threats, none capable of attacking Japan, but all needing the bulk of the Japanese millitary’s attention.

China also faired well because of the lack of attention Japan could focus on it.

But in the end the Allies still lost……hard to say why. It was a loss in the European theatre, the US had to pump money over there and couldnt keep up the threat to japan…also, the US built too many transports in the pacific…I think im done building transports in the pacific for a while…at least untill turn 10. I spent 14 a turn on a TRN, INF, ART. That could have been an extra cruiser every turn there, or 2 subs.

@marechallannes:

There is an airport and a habour on the phillipines.

There were mistakes in AAP40, but when setting up Global presumingly it’s how it is with nothing in Phillipines.

It is correct that China Can’t go into Korea isn’t it at all to fight or stay or enter?

Unless Japan doesn’t want to attack until turn 3, then its a total waste of money, IF you even have the chance to build it there in the first place.