13L G40 NT Arathorn (Axis) vs. Infrastructure (Allies +13)

[arathorn]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            3 transports moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            3 armour moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            3 armour, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            3 armour and 3 infantry moved from 111 Sea Zone to Scotland
            2 fighters moved from 111 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
            3 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
            2 armour and 1 artillery moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            2 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 111 Sea Zone to Scotland

[arathorn]

I’m bombing UK. total of 7 planes against your potential 3 in interception.

I presume you won’t intercept. If you want to, it won’t stop the bombing because I have 3 ftrs with me.
But feel free to reroll the air battle should you want to sacrifice your ftrs.

[arathorn]

Since I am bombing different facilities, I am rolling the dice for aaguns and damage here.

Disregard the dice you will get for the bombing via MARTI

[arathorn]

AB
Rolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 11@1: (1)

IC
Rolls: 3@1; Total Hits: 03@1: (6, 2, 3)

[arathorn]

Damage

Rolls: 3@6; Total Hits: 33@6: (5, 1, 3)

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[arathorn]

You got 15 damage. You had 4 from before. I will therefore edit one damage down to total of 19 in the game, since the game rolled full damage.

[arathorn]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            3 transports moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            3 armour moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            3 armour, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            3 armour and 3 infantry moved from 111 Sea Zone to Scotland
            2 fighters moved from 111 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
            3 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
            2 armour and 1 artillery moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            2 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 111 Sea Zone to Scotland

Combat - Germans
            Air Battle in United Kingdom
                Germans attacks with 7 units heading to United Kingdom
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom
                1 tactical_bomber killed by AA
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 6,8,5 and causes: 16 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 16 damage total.
            Battle in Scotland
                Germans attack with 5 armour, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
                British defend with 1 airfield and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Scotland from British with 5 armour, 1 artillery and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing unit bombing damage for these British owned units to: factory_major = 19
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 111 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 4 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 4 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from 111 Sea Zone to Scotland
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium
            3 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany
            2 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            3 aaGuns moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            6 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary

Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Germany
            2 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Western Germany
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5
            Germans collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs

[Major Major]

a small issue happened on frances turn.
I meant to decalre war on japan but plowed thru the turn quickly and forgot.
May I edit the french at war with japan, as i meant?

[arathorn]

@Infrastructure:

a small issue happened on frances turn.
I meant to decalre war on japan but plowed thru the turn quickly and forgot.
May I edit the french at war with japan, as i meant?

I think I have to say no, because the German turn was based on it.
I’m lenient with edits as long as dice has not been rolled, or if it doesn’t affect anything.
Both things have happened here. Sorry man.

[Major Major]

france being at war with japan affected germanys turn?

[arathorn]

Yes. I will explain how after Russia has moved.

[Major Major]

i guess you will win.  i dont like playing this style game.
Luckily there are enough players interested in winning by strategy, not just winning for false status to play against.

[arathorn]

@Infrastructure:

i guess you will win.  i dont like playing this style game.
Luckily there are enough players interested in winning by strategy, not just winning for false status to play against.

Excuse me! This is a matter of strategy and tactics.
You see, the way I see it you didn’t realise the consequences of your moves until after my G3, since you had expected Germany to take London (100%) and by that bring Russia and USA into the war. That is why you DOW’d with Anzac, since you were sure USA and Russia would be in the war with London falling.

But suddenly you gave Germany the incentive of waiting one more round to keep USA and Russia out, and you let Japan have a 98% on India without having to worry about USA. That is what you realised, and that was your tactical blunder that I followed up on with my German move. Also, Germany will now for sure take London G4, and be very strong against Russia and USA.

I am sorry man, but this was about strategy, and nothing else. I don’t go for cheap wins - however, I do take the wins I have honestly earned, even when they come fast.

If you want to continue, that is what I want to do, but if you want to call it, then I’ll take the win, though I’d prefer to see it played out.

[boldfresh]

Infrastructure, i don’t understand why you did an unprovoked DOW on japan with UK pac and anzac when you didn’t even attack?  what am i missing?

[arathorn]

@Boldfresh:

Infrastructure, i don’t understand why you did an unprovoked DOW on japan with UK pac and anzac when you didn’t even attack?  what am i missing?

He did it because he wanted to collect the NO, thinking it to be safe, since he “knew” that USA, Russia and France would enter the war when London would fall on G3 - but then Germany didn’t take London, and suddenly the Allies were in BIG trouble.

[boldfresh]

hmmm ok, seems infra made an incorrect “assumption”.  would that be accurate to say infra?

[Major Major]

no it was still my plan as it was all along to declare war with france and have a blocker.  Even without germany taking britian, I needed the french destroyer to prevent india falling.  I just rushed frances turn and then realized it as i left the house to go to work., Arathorn had taken germanys turns by the time i got back online.  Declaring war with france had absolutely nothing to do with what germany did.  London falling would not have caused france to be at war on japans turn.  USA and Russia will still not be at war.  What am I missing?

[arathorn]

When you DOWed with Anzac, you opened up for Germany waiting and Japan attacking primarily since USA would then not be at war in combat till A4.

I do understand where you’re coming from, but it’s still a tactical mistake, on the same level as forgetting to put up an important fleet block. Since it influenced my decisions and overall plan, I am still leaning toward keeping it as is, as I get to follow up on a tactical blunder. Sometimes we have to suffer the consequences of our mistakes, and even though it’s a friendly atmosphere, we’re still at “war”.

Had we played on board, at a tournament, and someone forgot to declare war, I don’t think that would have been so easily allowed in retrospect after another turn had been played.

Do you want to continue?

[Major Major]

It was not a tactical blunder it was a mental mistake.  If you are saying that you dont believe me that i meant to DOW with France but missed it then you dont understand tactics.  I state again that if you had taken britian it would not have changed that i set my entire pacific set up to use that french dest as a blocker.  WHat you did with germany did not change that situation in any way.  I planned that blocker screen seperate of anything on the europe map.  I do it in most games.  It was my plan to decalre war with anzac and france to keep japan out of india and the dei.  If me not declaring war with france truly yruly affected your german turn, explain to me what you would have done different if france had declared war on japan?

If you consider that a tactical error you are incorrect.  it was a human error.  If you want a win more than a good game the way it was meant to play out.  Then say that now, so i dont waste more of my time.

[arathorn]

@Infrastructure:

It was not a tactical blunder it was a mental mistake.  If you are saying that you dont believe me that i meant to DOW with France but missed it then you dont understand tactics.  I state again that if you had taken britian it would not have changed that i set my entire pacific set up to use that french dest as a blocker.  WHat you did with germany did not change that situation in any way.  I planned that blocker screen seperate of anything on the europe map.  I do it in most games.  It was my plan to decalre war with anzac and france to keep japan out of india and the dei.  If me not declaring war with france truly yruly affected your german turn, explain to me what you would have done different if france had declared war on japan?

If you consider that a tactical error you are incorrect.  it was a human error.  If you want a win more than a good game the way it was meant to play out.  Then say that now, so i dont waste more of my time.

Even if you were to categorise it as a mental mistake and not a tactical one, it doesn’t make a difference - it was a mistake and it was a “move” that you didn’t do that caused you trouble. Such things happen, and it’s a part of the game.

I was going to take out London, but the combo of you declared war with Anzac and not with France caused me to delay it. It was a package deal.

You can check out all of my games that I have played, and you’ll see that I am a lenient guy, who’s reasonable and trying to play a gentleman’s game and be a good sport. But you are throwing accusations and insinuations against me, and there is no reason to be impolite. I’ve treated you with respect, like I try to treat everybody.

Look at what you’ve said, and try to see if that encourages an understanding and accommodating treatment of the issue from my side:

@Infrastructure:

i guess you will win.  i dont like playing this style game.
Luckily there are enough players interested in winning by strategy, not just winning for false status to play against.

This style of game? What are you insinuating?
So I am only interested in playing to win for a false status?
And you’re lucky to have “enough other players” so you don’t have to deal with me?

@Infrastructure:

If you are saying that you dont believe me that i meant to DOW with France but missed it **then you dont understand tactics. **

If you want a win more than a good game the way it was meant to play out.  Then say that now, so i dont waste more of my time.

I don’t understand tactics?
I want a win more than a good game?
Is me placing pressure on you because of my strategy a waste of your time?

Such insults aren’t exactly strong cards to play if you are trying to have me change my mind and let you edit.