13L G40.2 AllWeNeedIsLove (allies +12) vs Stalingradski

[allweneedislove]

that started out so promising but ended super shitty.

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :2

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 destroyers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
                  Italians take Algeria from French
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Morocco
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
                  Italians take British Somaliland from British
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 artillery moved from Ethiopia to Kenya
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Morocco
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 2 infantry
                retreated to Morocco
                French win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Morocco to Southern France
            1 artillery moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            2 armour moved from Greece to Romania
            1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
            1 infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria

Place Units - Italians
            2 destroyers placed in 97 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUs total

[Stalingradski]

Ouch in Morocco… a 15 IPC swing.

[allweneedislove]

sweet. looks like north africa is a quagmire for attackers.

[Stalingradski]

Let’s have a gentleman’s agreement for both of us to only defend  :-D

I’ll ease up on dice complaints - overall it’s a pretty even game.

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :2

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                ANZAC attack with 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                    ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                ANZAC win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
                  ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
            1 fighter moved from Sumatra to India
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from Java to India
            1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            2 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 16 PUs total

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Shan State : 1 infantry
    India : 2 fighters
    Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    New South Wales : 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Java : 1 flag
    Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    45 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    54 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    62 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 41 / 51
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 31 / 43
    Americans : 52 / 53
    Chinese : 7 / 7
    British : 33 / 25
    UK_Pacific : 24 / 24
    Italians : 18 / 19
    ANZAC : 14 / 16
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :2

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

Trans-Jordan : 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 2 infantry
    Morocco : 1 infantry
    French Equatorial Africa : 1 infantry
    96 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    99 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    98 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 41 / 51
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 31 / 43
    Americans : 52 / 53
    Chinese : 7 / 7
    British : 33 / 25
    UK_Pacific : 24 / 24
    Italians : 18 / 19
    ANZAC : 14 / 16
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

i had to think long and hard what was better. french fleet take out a pair of german subs or defend the med.

[allweneedislove]

@Stalingradski:

Let’s have a gentleman’s agreement for both of us to only defend  :-D

is this your way of saying you are done with the war? if so i accept your resignation.

@Stalingradski:

I’ll ease up on dice complaints - overall it’s a pretty even game.

no worries about dice whinning. i can also be a dice whinner some times.
if it is cathartic for you feel free, it does not bother me.

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Morocco
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Morocco from French with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for French: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for French: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            4 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Germany
            2 infantry moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
            2 artilleries moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            2 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Poland
            3 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland

Place Units - Germans
            1 artillery, 7 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
            1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 47 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 52 PUs

[Stalingradski]

Well, you apparently made the right decision with the French fleet.

[Stalingradski]

@allweneedislove:

@Stalingradski:

Let’s have a gentleman’s agreement for both of us to only defend  :-D

is this your way of saying you are done with the war? if so i accept your resignation.

@Stalingradski:

I’ll ease up on dice complaints - overall it’s a pretty even game.

no worries about dice whinning. i can also be a dice whinner some times.
if it is cathartic for you feel free, it does not bother me.

I’ll fight on  :evil:  Maybe we could just have some sort of arrangement where you stay out of the Med? It isn’t really all that important to the war effort… in return, I promise to stay out of the Indies and South America.

As to dice, I’ve been risking fighters to straight rolls, so I have to deal with the consequences when it fails. I probably wouldn’t have complained if the two French destroyers had missed…  :-)

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 4 artilleries and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            5 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Belarus

Place Units - Russians
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            5 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

Amur : 2 aaGuns and 18 infantry
    Belarus : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 13 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    Bryansk : 5 infantry
    Russia : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 5 infantry
    Ukraine : 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    Western Ukraine : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 7 artilleries, 13 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Volgograd : 1 factory_minor
    Novgorod : 1 airfield, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    125 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    115 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 52
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 31 / 43
    Americans : 52 / 53
    Chinese : 7 / 7
    British : 33 / 25
    UK_Pacific : 24 / 24
    Italians : 18 / 19
    ANZAC : 14 / 16
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

@Stalingradski:

Well, you apparently made the right decision with the French fleet.

yeah ill take 2 german figs over 2 subs.

[allweneedislove]

@Stalingradski:

I’ll fight on  :evil:  Maybe we could just have some sort of arrangement where you stay out of the Med? It isn’t really all that important to the war effort… in return, I promise to stay out of the Indies and South America.

deal!

so i stay out of the med. and in turn you stay out of south american, west and EAST indies.

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Politics - Japanese
            Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With French
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Kiangsu to Kwangtung
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
            4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
            2 infantry moved from Siam to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
                  Japanese take French Indo China from French
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
                  Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
            1 artillery moved from Hopei to Kweichow
            2 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
                  Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Suiyuyan
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Celebes

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Java
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                British defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Borneo
            Battle in Celebes
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking Celebes from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Kwangtung
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                ANZAC defend with 1 infantry; British defend with 3 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 3 infantry
            Battle in Kweichow
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Suiyuyan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 armour moved from Jehol to Manchuria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Manchuria
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
            1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Shan State to Yunnan
            1 bomber moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 bomber moved from Suiyuyan to Anhwe
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns moved from 19 Sea Zone to Manchuria
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Kiangsu
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Japan
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 52 PUs; end with 53 PUs total

[allweneedislove]

need ool for sz43

[Stalingradski]

The way I understood the rules, the US was not at war if I declared war against France. I never would have put myself in this position.

Please advise. I spent time reviewing the OOB manual for 2nd edition before my Japanese turn, and read it as a DOW vs UK/Anzac or France was not a DOW against the US. I’ve played probably 40 games and didn’t know otherwise -

[Stalingradski]

Pg 37 of the Europe 2nd edition rulebook says:

“A declaration of war by Japan against either the United Kingdom or Anzac will immediately result in a state of war between Japan and both of those powers. A state of war between Japan and France or between Japan and the Soviet Union will not affect relations between Japan and the United States, and vice versa”.

What am I missing? I don’t see anywhere in the book that it says the DOW brings in the US.

[Stalingradski]

I apologize in advance if this is a very basic rule that I’m misunderstanding, or have misunderstood for a long time.