End of G2 dice:
Germany: -0.82 Atlantic / +1.86 East Front / +0.41 Mid East
NET: Germany +1.45
crockett36 l vs The Good Captain x
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@crockett36 said in crockett36 l vs The Good Captain x:
I think I see where at least some of the confusion or differences of opinion are:
So if the Japanese discovered jet fighters in a game, would not it be quite a hoot to play from behind and be victorious or make it close because you as the US have to now go hog wild with technology.
It would be, but in my playing experience and as I stated in the videos, simply purchasing a tech token as each power on the first turn almost guarantees that breakthroughs will occur before anyone is “behind” (statistically, by the end of turn two there are two breakthroughs).
As to tech in anniversary favoring the aggressor, that is actually a question for historians. Victor Davis Hanson says that technology swings defensive or offensive in cycles. Also I would love to have you then offer up solutions or variations that would correct the situation AND SAVE technology.
Historically speaking sure, but tech in Anniversary is a game mechanic. Historical context was never in my mind while shooting the video. In fact, I’ll just concede the historical argument. Which goes nicely into my “fix”.
My opinion is that tech was never broken. Classic had it “right”. There are six techs. They are extremely high risk to invest in and best employed as a legitimate ‘hail mary’ when there is someone who is behind in the game (as you point out).
A game of anniversary without tech is a game of 1941 or 2, not a world war 2 game. So then my question would be: if you had your dream tech rolls, what would turn 8 look like? And would that be enjoyable?
I don’t quite understand what to make of this. I’ve heard you say it before and I still don’t understand it. I’m also not sure what you mean by how I think turn 8 would look with tech.
I know from playing experience on this website and through TripleA that by turn eight, things tend to be very, very messy with tech as its written in anniversary. To be precise, I think I played against 3-4 different players in as many games. Each of those examples in the video was something I inflicted on someone or that someone else or had inflicted on me. The games generally ended more quickly and based on feedback in that player population (and including myself) all agreed to drop it.
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agree to disagree. And I am familiar with the community’s disdain for tech. But principles should drive play and playability.
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@the_good_captain Not a big fan of tech as a hail mary. It ought to be integrated and central. Front and center. Absolutely ubiquitous!
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@crockett36 the sub in the North Pacific sea zone survived. Where do you want him to retreat? Japan/Midway/Russia or Alaska? (purchases are in the bottom right)
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@the_good_captain midway
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@crockett36 missed the sub off Wake as well. He can go Okinawa, Japan, North Pacific , or Solomons
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Okinawa!!!
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@crockett36 and finally, a sub survived off Hawaii. Retreat options for him are Mexico SZ, West Coast, Solomons, Midway or the South Pacific SZ.
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@the_good_captain midway yeah yeah!
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Game History
Round: 11 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 bomber and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 14 PUs; Combat Move - Japanese 2 infantry moved from China to Kwangtung 2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Kwangtung 1 armour moved from Manchuria to Kwangtung 1 fighter moved from Manchuria to North Pacific Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from China to Wake Island Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Japan to Hawaii Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Manchuria to India 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 4 submarines moved from East Indies Sea Zone to Caroline Islands Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from East Europe to Anglo Sudan Egypt 1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug Japanese take Evenki National Okrug from Russians Combat - Japanese Strategic bombing raid in Anglo Sudan Egypt Bombing raid in Anglo Sudan Egypt rolls: 2,5,1 and costs: 8 PUs. Bombing raid costs 8 PUs Strategic bombing raid in India Bombing raid in India rolls: 6,3,6,1,6,1 and costs: 23 PUs. Bombing raid costs 23 PUs Battle in Kwangtung Japanese attack with 1 armour and 4 infantry British defend with 1 armour Japanese roll dice for 1 armour and 4 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Kwangtung Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from British with 1 armour and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour Battle in North Pacific Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter Americans defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in North Pacific Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans retreated to Midway Sea Zone Battle in Wake Island Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter Americans defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in Wake Island Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans retreated to Okinawa Sea Zone Battle in Caroline Islands Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 4 submarines Americans defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 4 submarines in Caroline Islands Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands Sea Zone Japanese winJapanese winJapanese win with 1 fighter remaining with 1 fighter remaining with 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 4 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Battle in Hawaii Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 bomber Americans defend with 2 submarines Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber in Hawaii Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 2.00 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in Hawaii Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the Americans retreated to Midway Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Japanese Russians lost 1 PUs to rocket attack by Japanese Rockets roll: 1 1 bomber moved from Hawaii Sea Zone to Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Wake Island Sea Zone to Caroline Islands Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from North Pacific Sea Zone to Caroline Islands Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from India to Manchuria 1 bomber moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to East Europe Place Units - Japanese 3 infantry placed in Manchuria 1 bomber placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 31 PUs; end with 45 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@the_good_captain Axis & Allies The Good Captain US 11 Russia 12.tsvg
How many bombers have you lost? I just popped a factory in fic. This gives your bombers access to all the money in Washington. I’m looking forward to pointing out the absurdity in my reaction video. Of course, the fix is easy. If you roll the three dice, they eliminate from the board units in the territory equal to the numbers rolled with this formula: 1 die point=1 ipc. You took 23 ipc away from London by bombing a factory in Asia AND no unit was lost in India.
Any other tech close to the magnitude of heavy bombers?
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@crockett36 I have a few things to point out and a few questions.
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Shortly after I posted the Japanese turn, I got a dice report that the USA invested in two tech dice that failed. When I look at the turn history you just posted, I don’t see any of that. Did you not mean to roll for tech?
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The industrial complex you purchased is not a legal purchase. It violates the same rule I mentioned earlier about piece count limitation. There are only four industrial complexes that can be purchased after the initial setup (12 total). Incidentally, there are only three AA guns. By the way, why aren’t you purchasing AA guns for your UK industries?
“Is there any other tech close to the magnitude of heavy bombers?” - Not at all. And I would hold this game up specifically as an example of what is so amazing about it. This game was completely lost for the axis. However, the HB tech has created, at least for a time, a competitive game where in any other version of axis and allies concessions start being offered. We are having a close, fun game thanks specifically to the power and “magnitude of heavy bombers” as you point out. I do feel strongly you need to get AA guns up around your industrial complexes though.
Would you like to chat on discord again? I feel like we both have a lot to say. I have a lot of clarifying questions around the “fix” you offer as regards HB. Also, I thought about what you asked me as regards anniversary - how would I fix tech? Though I would still perfer to leave it out, if the game designer was ordering me to incorporate it as it is written without making it options I would do this: I would make tech inaccessible until turn 6. Its in the game, not optional, all 12 as written. Just not on the first half dozen turns. Wanna chat?
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Love to talk. I have discord on my phone. I’m bouncing around in my UPS truck all day. So post a time and I’ll turn on notifications.
Yes. I did a video where I said that I started a turn and got too tired and clicked out of it. OOPS. So I have to manually adjust the ipcs. So I will adjust the purchases.
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@crockett36 I realized I had to do the turn over because the factory effected everything. Is that okay? If so, this is my turn. Boy did it take a long time to get here. Axis & Allies The Good Captain US 11 Russia 12b.tsvg
Thanks for the note about the AA gun. I am so used to factories have a built in AA gun. It literally didn’t occur to me. And the piece limit. A little bit of a learning curve.
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@crockett36 Yeah, in my previous upload I didn’t spend 10 ipc. I was at work and had no internet so my video and the game had to end when I did combat. I’ll post the video after I update it.
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@crockett36 said in crockett36 l vs The Good Captain x:
@crockett36 Yeah, in my previous upload I didn’t spend 10 ipc. I was at work and had no internet so my video and the game had to end when I did combat. I’ll post the video after I update it.
I work 9-5 pacific time so in case we don’t speak before you upload your video, my response to the absurdity of US dollars being affected by a complex in French Indo-China would be the same as anyone asking “why do infantry get to shoot down aircraft” or “why is a bomber from midway able to bomb the West Coast” (both of which I have seen/heard made before).
This is a game that is slightly more complicated than Risk. It’s more ‘game’ than ‘realistic war simulator’ and that is its appeal. All of the pieces and rules around axis and allies are in regards to a projection of military clout - almost nothing is literal at the scale this game represents. There is a lot more to discuss and I’m all for your response video, I just worry that you may accidentally misunderstand my argument by some degree. I’m fine with it either way though.
Here is my “Defense of Classic” video that might clear (or confuse) things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvoZqqUr1p0&t=438s
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@the_good_captain I have no time to get to it anytime soon. Hopefully the week after Christmas
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@crockett36 said in crockett36 l vs The Good Captain x:
@crockett36 Yeah, in my previous upload I didn’t spend 10 ipc. I was at work and had no internet so my video and the game had to end when I did combat. I’ll post the video after I update it.
^ what video are you talking about here?
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Game History
Round: 12 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R. Germans take Ukraine S.S.R. from British 1 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe Germans take West Europe from British 1 bomber moved from East Europe to Anglo Sudan Egypt Combat - Germans Strategic bombing raid in Anglo Sudan Egypt Bombing raid in Anglo Sudan Egypt rolls: 5 and costs: 5 PUs. Bombing raid costs 5 PUs Non Combat Move - Germans 1 bomber moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to East Europe 3 infantry moved from South Europe to West Europe 6 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe 1 armour and 6 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe Place Units - Germans 1 infantry placed in South Europe 5 infantry placed in Germany Germans undo move 2. Germans undo move 1. 6 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 29 PUs; end with 31 PUs
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