what Hobbes is saying is 100% true. But, where tanks become a real problem for the allies is on Persia. Stack 8+ there and use German force to open Kazhak. Even if the Allies know to look for it, the mere threat of it is often enough for them to give up the Caucausus complex.
Japan invading Brazil - An option?
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I usually try to get Australia and then move to Madagascar and then Africa with part of the Japanese fleet, leaving the other part in sz60.
A fast raid in Brazil, with Africa fleet may divert USA attention from Europe.
The problem is that Japan should not divert too much ships from sz60 so it is not “safe” to stay in Atlantic.True,
You should keep enough backed-up in the Pacific, around Tokyo. (a few transports, 2 destroyers submarine might sound good enough?)
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Ideally I try to preserve the Japanese fleet a s long as possible.
So usually I try to let in sz60 at least 1 AC and 1 BB. The cruise to Australia and then to Africa is executed by the other BB and the other AC.
If Japan have only 1 BB and 1 AC, then 1 DD and as many Subs is possible have the task to defend sz60.
If Japan have less than 1 BB and 1 AC there is little hope of being able to go to Australia and then Africa… :-D -
The point is, the Japanese fleet is just as far from Brazil as a solitary Japanese transport is. So why not move it all? Especially if you have a good beach head in Egypt and Russia’s turtled in Moscow? It’s a good opportunity to stop the allied shucks into Northern Asia so the Germans can get more troops to the front and you can get more to the front.
And Ender, I don’t plan to shrink it. :P Just don’t read it. :-D
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Move all?
I think that is a bit too risky,Always keep the backdoor secured, do not trust the quietness, they will be there way before you can come back.
If the US saves some money, buys hell of a navy and you are in Africa?
It would take you around 3 turns to sail all the way back, assuming you are at Cape of Good Hope, or you can buy new stuff, say you have 36 IPC, that’s a battleship and a destroyer,I think it is very, just say, stupid to leave nothing behind, although they might build transports a turn later and invade even later on, you’ve got a big navy fight, losing all your money on ships, not beating Russia anymore, risking the position of Germany, and being disabled of any combat except the naval war in the pacific for like 3-5 rounds? (just a wild guess)
I would not leave Tokyo behind with nothing, never.
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As I said, Sproit, Japan should have some cash on hand to build a counter navy. If you are that advanced with the Japanese fleet, odds are you own Africa uncontested, the middle east with a few ICs put up, China and the eastern Russian states to include Novosibirsk. That means Japan’s in the 50+ range.
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@Cmdr:
As I said, Sproit, Japan should have some cash on hand to build a counter navy. If you are that advanced with the Japanese fleet, odds are you own Africa uncontested, the middle east with a few ICs put up, China and the eastern Russian states to include Novosibirsk. That means Japan’s in the 50+ range.
Ok,
Only when you have enough IPC coming in every turn you can just leave it undefended,
That way it sounds better, not waisting money or navy power with doing nothing, but buying it when needed. I buy that story Jenni. ;)
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So:
D-2 Japan has just taken New Zealand with some half of fleet (1BB,1CV,2ftr,1tra,1-2inf). US fleet and air are in Europe, and just needed for convoy escorts.
Is this the right time for US to take preemptive measures ? what exactly ?D-1 Japan is with said fleet off Argentina. Is this the right time… ? With what ?
D-Day: Japan has already taken Brazil. What now US ? Or is it too late ? Accept the -3/+3 IPC to the end ?
(Assume Allied victory in Europe is not imminent - still serious build-up to do)This looks like ‘naval guerilla’ anyway, so if US actions are too threatening, Japan may withdraw before losing anything except time of using not-too-heavily-used-anyway ships.
US expends real IPC to counteract that may be useless elsewhere (ships), or of less utility (say fighters instead of transports+more troops to Europe) -
I’d say that Japan has a good chance to disrupt the allies with a landing in Brazil, if America is going to Europe. That’s usually round 4, IMHO.
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1. It takes a long time to get to Brazil as Japan.
2. If you are building up SZ60 fleet defense via new ships early in the game, then Russia will NOT be contained and turtled (in fact, Russia may well get “out of the box” and grab extra income from Japan territories).
3. If you do not go straight for Brazil and the Allies build up their shucks, it IS a suicide mission.
4. If the Allies have already established their shuck to Africa, then Japan does NOT hold Africa, the Allies do. Japan cannot get enough forces to Africa early in the game to hold against a US, let alone a UK/US joint counter.
5. If Japan, in addition to building new fleet defense in SZ60, is also going heavy to Africa, then Russia is CERTAINLY out of the box, or at a minimum there is a static front in Asia with Russia out basically no income.Aways remember, early in the game, Japan has only 70% of the income of the US. They are VERY weak on land forces in Asia. And they need to expand quickly in order to get some income in order to be a viable threat to anything.
Last but not least…
Power in this game is STACKS, not a few units here and there. And this Japan Brazil move has Japan spread WAY too thin…
starting with 3 different naval groups to defend, none of which are in range to support each other (SZ34, SZ60, SZ22) -
Can’t stay your last point is a lie,
Still I doubt if you have serious threat in Sz60 with Japan when the US only goes after Germany and leaves their Navy in the Atlantic.
But still, Japan should grab its infantry and fight hard against ground forces, the navy is just an extra way to create more IPC, by taking Australia, New-Zealand, Africa? And of course shore bombing India with your Battleships (and destroyers if you got the right tech, not worth to buy it but still, you are allowed to. ;) )
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I consider the Brazil attack only a raid that should be an hit and run move, without moving too much fleet to the South Atlantic. So it should be performed with minimal forces ready to run away if in danger.
I do not like to leave unguarded sz60 or sz34 lightly held when attacking Africa, and Africa is a greater priority for Japan.
Going in force in south Atlantic is too risky. USA may react … very bad :-D -
It doesn’t matter how big your force is, they still move 2. :P (haha kidding ya)
But he it could make the game also a bit more fun, to just annoy the US player with lots of Axis activity there, might cause a laugh after all,
And that’s what this game is about, to have fun, aye?!
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It doesn’t matter how big your force is, they still move 2. :P (haha kidding ya)
But he it could make the game also a bit more fun, to just annoy the US player with lots of Axis activity there, might cause a laugh after all,
And that’s what this game is about, to have fun, aye?!
Elementary, my dear Sproit!
Naturally game have to be funny. But also discussing about games is entertaining! And if discussion become hot… don’t worry it is itself a game!
Usually I am not involved in sending a lot of ships to Brazil. If I have a spare TRN not strictly needed for carrying units in Africa I consider to send it to Brazil.
Anyway, for causing USA player laugh I may still tell him a … joke! :-D
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One caveat…
Japan invading Brazil CAN be a VERY good move, if combined with a massive German fleet (Med based). The Allies have to go one or the other, and that lets at least one Axis power roam the Atlantic for a while…
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Ok, I see the effect of this move.
This scenario require to be planned in advance with also naval building in Med. In that case Japan may also move almost all of his capital ship to Southern Atlantic. I think that in such scenario USA may not divert IPC for Pacific. -
@ncscswitch:
One caveat…
Japan invading Brazil CAN be a VERY good move, if combined with a massive German fleet (Med based). The Allies have to go one or the other, and that lets at least one Axis power roam the Atlantic for a while…
I would add another caveat:
Japan hitting Brazil getting America to pull off their Shucks or build something else and diverting to liberating can buy Germany some time (usually 1 or 2 rounds).
It’s like Japan hitting Alaska when America doesn’t have extra units to throw away liberating it and thus pulling off Americans who would otherwise be going to Europe.
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The loss to the US is minimal.
The loss to Japan is permanent
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@ncscswitch:
The loss to the US is minimal.
The loss to Japan is permanent
The loss to the allies is pulling the US out of position just before an Axis 1-2 punch on Moscow.
The loss to the axis are a couple of infantry and a transport they most likely did not need as part of their main attack force anyway. (If they needed them, then how did they afford the diversion???)
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@Cmdr:
The loss to the axis are a couple of infantry and a transport they most likely did not need as part of their main attack force anyway. (If they needed them, then how did they afford the diversion???)
I’ve never met an Inf + TRN that I didn’t need. The answer to your question is: they may not have been able to afford it. The fact that they did the move does not prove that it was a wise one.
I’ve bought lots of things that I couldn’t afford.
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If Japan and Germany are ready to hit Moscow, and Japan happens to have a Transport/Infantry in S. Africa in range of Brazil, then it’s an infantry/transport i don’t need for my military objective (taking moscow being the objective.) So in that case, I’ll invade Brazil from SZ 22 which normally results in the transport living but the infantry dieing.
But only because SZ 22 is usually out of range of America. Not always, but usually.
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