Tasering in America – right or wrong??

[Jermofoot]

I think it’s pitiful a half dozen cops couldn’t take down 1 college student.  Time to lay off the doughnuts, piggy.

[dezrtfish]

I watched the video, it was blatently obvious that this guy was trying to get attention.  He was distubing the peace and the reason there were muliple cops was they were trying to be gentile.  It’s shame when idiots feel they need to put other people in a bad situation begause they want attention.  What that little punk needed was a good 15 years of a$$ kicking by a dad that gave a shit how his kid was going to grow up.  There is realy nothing political about this…

[squirecam]

@dezrtfish:

I watched the video, it was blatently obvious that this guy was trying to get attention.  He was distubing the peace and the reason there were muliple cops was they were trying to be gentile.  It’s shame when idiots feel they need to put other people in a bad situation begause they want attention.   What that little punk needed was a good 15 years of a$$ kicking by a dad that gave a sh*t how his kid was going to grow up.  There is realy nothing political about this…

You dont know what is inside the mind of the individual.

This guy obviously was after attention. But he could have been hiding a weapon, or been insane enough to bum rush the stage and make a leap at Kerry when he was cut off.

The point being that the cops cant just assume you are only seeking attention. Once you resist them, multiple times no less, the cops have to protect themseves, and the crowd, from potential harm.

[newpaintbrush]

@dezrtfish:

I watched the video, it was blatently obvious that this guy was trying to get attention.  He was distubing the peace and the reason there were muliple cops was they were trying to be gentile.  It’s shame when idiots feel they need to put other people in a bad situation begause they want attention.   What that little punk needed was a good 15 years of a$$ kicking by a dad that gave a sh*t how his kid was going to grow up.  There is realy nothing political about this…

The thread title is “Tasering in America – right or wrong??”.  That’s REALLY a PD thread title.

If it were “Lolz @ Barbequed Hooligan”, now . . .

[Jennifer]

@squirecam:

@dezrtfish:

I watched the video, it was blatently obvious that this guy was trying to get attention.  He was distubing the peace and the reason there were muliple cops was they were trying to be gentile.  It’s shame when idiots feel they need to put other people in a bad situation begause they want attention.  What that little punk needed was a good 15 years of a$$ kicking by a dad that gave a sh*t how his kid was going to grow up.  There is realy nothing political about this…

You dont know what is inside the mind of the individual.

This guy obviously was after attention. But he could have been hiding a weapon, or been insane enough to bum rush the stage and make a leap at Kerry when he was cut off.

The point being that the cops cant just assume you are only seeking attention. Once you resist them, multiple times no less, the cops have to protect themseves, and the crowd, from potential harm.

I could be making bombs in my garage.  I’m not.  But I could be!  Should the police come taser me in my home?  Especially if I let them in, after getting a warrant?

The guy was OBVIOUSLY not resisting.  He begged the officers not to taser him.  He didn’t threaten them if they tasered him.

[frood]

I think tasering CAN be legitimate. Haven’t and don’t care to see the video in this case. I think tasering can also be an abuse of power. Peaceful protesters should not be tasered. Rioters should. Actually, I think a sleep spell would do the best job.

[ieatcrayons]

For once I again with Jenn on something…

[Jennifer]

I was thinking tasering might be more appropriate for bringing down armed assailants then protesters.  Don’t the protesters have the Right to Assemble, the Right to Speak and the Right to Petition like everyone else?

[squirecam]

@Jennifer:

I was thinking tasering might be more appropriate for bringing down armed assailants then protesters.  Don’t the protesters have the Right to Assemble, the Right to Speak and the Right to Petition like everyone else?

Yes, they do.

But can you assemble on MY lawn?? No. I own it. If I want you off of it, you must leave.

The university hall (room, gym, whatever) was private property. The dean/administrator/guy in charge cut the mike off and requested this guy leave. You cant force your right to speak on the property of others. He could have stayed on a public sidewalk, and continued his speaking rights there.

[dezrtfish]

Jen, have you seen the video yet?  He is whining “don’t taze me”, but he is also absolutely not complying with what he is being told to do.  Like I said he was trying to get attention.

[Jennifer]

Yes, but Squire, that was HIS campus.  He was a student there (part of the school paper, I believe.) So he had more right to be there then the police or the speaker, if you consider he is paying fees to be there.  It’s private property alright, it’s his private property just like it is every student’s private property, in a way.

And if he was whining not to be “tazed” then he was in essence surrendering.  His exact words were “Don’t taser me Bro” it was a declaritive statement told with the inflection that conveys that he was willing to be arrested.  It was not in a demeaning or inflaming type of voice.

[cystic crypt]

@Jennifer:

Yes, but Squire, that was HIS campus.  He was a student there (part of the school paper, I believe.) So he had more right to be there then the police or the speaker, if you consider he is paying fees to be there.  It’s private property alright, it’s his private property just like it is every student’s private property, in a way.

when one pays their tuition, there is an understanding - tacit or overt - to behave oneself and to provide a modicum of courtesy.  He if he just followed a student the whole year while yelling at them - he would be required to stop.  I’m not sure why his right to protest ad nauseum exceeded that of the right of the speaker to be treated courtiously.

And if he was whining not to be “tazed” then he was in essence surrendering.  His exact words were “Don’t taser me Bro” it was a declaritive statement told with the inflection that conveys that he was willing to be arrested.  It was not in a demeaning or inflaming type of voice.

if someone yells “don’t hit me Bro” while hitting me, i’m not going to take him too seriously.  This guy’s actions begged the cops to take his words with very little seriousness.  I’m w/ DF on this one - his parents deserve a tasering too.

[frood]

Since when is “trying to get attention” something you should get tasered for?

Being uncooperative, I can see. But what’s so wrong about trying to get attention?

[ajgundam5]

@Frood:

Since when is “trying to get attention” something you should get tasered for?

Being uncooperative, I can see. But what’s so wrong about trying to get attention?

I don’t know but this particular case … it was funny when he got tasered so I don’t blame anyone :wink:

[cystic crypt]

@Frood:

Since when is “trying to get attention” something you should get tasered for?

Being uncooperative, I can see. But what’s so wrong about trying to get attention?

well,
it seems that he had the attention, but it wasn’t “good” attention . . . .  Getting attention by getting good marks - good.  Getting attention by generating a disturbance and impinging on another’s rights - bad.
Oh yeah - and he was not only being unco-operative/rude, but he was generating chaos and not the good kind either.

[frood]

Like I said, I haven’t seen the video. Just seemed from people’s comments that he deserved this because he was “just trying to get attention”.

How about this for right/wrong - at political protests in Montreal, the police dressed up three guys as protesters who deliberately tried to get rioting and rock-throwing started. The protesters called them on it though and caught it on videotape - these guys had police boots on! The police later admitted it but tried to pretend that the officers were just there to protect people. However, these officers were holding rocks in their hands!

[balungaloaf]

i just think he was acting obnoxiously.  which is bad in of itself, disrupting everyone else.  why should everyone else have to listen to that. he should of just let authorities do their job, but he RESISTED, let me tell you, cops dont like resistence when they are trying to do their jobs.  he was just a punk kid, who knew he stepped out of bounds, and then tried to save his skin.  GuARUNTEED if after he asked the cops not to taser him, and they didnt, he would have just kept on being obnoxious.  college students these days respect nothing.  and he would have kept acting like a punk if the cops allowed him to.  good thing the cops didnt allow him to.  people will push the boundries as far as they can, always, until they get punished.  its human nature.  he got his result, for his actions, i have no pity.

[cystic crypt]

@Frood:

Like I said, I haven’t seen the video. Just seemed from people’s comments that he deserved this because he was “just trying to get attention”.

How about this for right/wrong - at political protests in Montreal, the police dressed up three guys as protesters who deliberately tried to get rioting and rock-throwing started. The protesters called them on it though and caught it on videotape - these guys had police boots on! The police later admitted it but tried to pretend that the officers were just there to protect people. However, these officers were holding rocks in their hands!

i’ll bite - that’s wrong.  I don’t understand what the Montreal PD’s point was, or why they thought they could get away with it in the era of “everyone’s got a camera”.

[Guest]

Oh man, I saw this video like a million times today!  I couldn’t stop laughing my ass off.  LOL  Stupid kid deserved it….for being an attention whore.  I especially like the part where hes pleading, “Dont taze me!”  Then like 2 seconds later…buzzzzzzzzzzzzz…tazed!  Denied!  Hahaha

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA

[Nix]

I think it’s pitiful a half dozen cops couldn’t take down 1 college student.  Time to lay off the doughnuts, piggy.

QFT.

And it seems quite excessive in this case……