Do Jews Have a Right to Representation? Some Think Not.


  • @Yanny:

    @EmuGod:

    @F_alk:

    @Xi:

    Israel doesn’t call it a Holocaust.

    I did not post that. It looks to me,
    on quick review, as if E_G_ posted it. - Xi


  • @Yanny:

    @EmuGod:

    @F_alk:

    @Xi:

    Israel doesn’t call it a Holocaust.

    … And the Germans didn’t either.

    The Halocaust happened what, 60 years ago? It was a horrible thing, but I don’t think we people today should be paying the price of it. For example, don’t Germans have to pay a heafty compensation Tax to Jews in their country? Falk, enlighten me on that. That tax is unlawful, its not like any German under the age of 80 (who are probably retired and not paying taxes) was part of the Halocaust.

    I agree, thats silly.


  • @Mr:

    @Yanny:

    @EmuGod:

    @F_alk:

    @Xi:

    Israel doesn’t call it a Holocaust.

    … And the Germans didn’t either.

    The Halocaust happened what, 60 years ago? It was a horrible thing, but I don’t think we people today should be paying the price of it. For example, don’t Germans have to pay a heafty compensation Tax to Jews in their country? Falk, enlighten me on that. That tax is unlawful, its not like any German under the age of 80 (who are probably retired and not paying taxes) was part of the Halocaust.

    I agree, thats silly.


    I agree too. 🙂


  • Maybe that’s why so many Jews are immigrating back to Germany (or so my German teacher says). Smart Germans. :-?


  • No, I don’t think many Jews are immigrating back to Germany. Yanny, you are judging the compensation as though it were a normal crime. Crimes against humanity are judged differently. In these crimes, the war criminals are still executed even though exceution is not a common practicei n many countries. For example, Israel executed Adolf Eichmann for palying a role in the Holocaust (he made sure the trains would arriveon time). That was Israel’s only execution. General Hideki Tojo of Japan was executed by the Americans for crimes against humanity because he was the Japanese prime minister during World War 2 and due to him atrocities such as the Rape of Nanking occurred. Think of it more like a national debt. It has to be paid off to the survivors because nothing can really repay them for what they went through. Some countries today still don’t pay for their involvement and still haven’t acknowledged what they did. Austria is the classic example. Switzerland is only now starting to return the money of the Jews it laundered during World War 2. If we thought about it your way, why should I as a Canadian pay off the national debt? I mean, it was the generation before me that made this debt so why should I have to pay it off? It’s not like me or my government was responsible for bringing about this debt.


  • @Yanny:

    The Halocaust happened what, 60 years ago? It was a horrible thing, but I don’t think we people today should be paying the price of it. For example, don’t Germans have to pay a heafty compensation Tax to Jews in their country? Falk, enlighten me on that. That tax is unlawful, its not like any German under the age of 80 (who are probably retired and not paying taxes) was part of the Halocaust.

    We don’t pay a distinct tax for that, but the german government pays out of its budget. The payments to Israel are closed, but thanks to the american law system and lawyers, they were about to sue companies that had used forced labor (which includes victims more than just jews). The threat was of course to effectively bankrupt the corporations who had anything to do (like subsidies or just trading) in the US.
    There then was a call to all german companies (even those founded later, or who had provably not used forced labor) to start a foundation which should pay for those claims: Many joined, but not all, still they got the starting money for that foundation, and now it works, and AFAIK they managed an agreement outside court.

    What makes me angry, is that german WWII deserteurs had to fight until our nowadays red-green government was installed, to be washed clean of the “dishonor” of “leaving the troops”. They were silent heros of the WWII, not fighting for injustice, but suffering for that (either by running and hiding, or getting captured by germans, which meant death, or get captured by the allies, which meant POW). They do not get compensation or a pension, unlike former SS-members, who have been trialed after the war but not found “guilty enough not to be able to fight against the newly emerged enemy”, either USSR or US. They receive a pension form the german government, as well as former SS-members from other countries.
    That is what makes me sick!


  • @EmuGod:

    … Yanny, you are judging the compensation as though it were a normal crime. Crimes against humanity are judged differently.
    …If we thought about it your way, why should I as a Canadian pay off the national debt? I mean, it was the generation before me that made this debt so why should I have to pay it off? It’s not like me or my government was responsible for bringing about this debt.

    But compensation should or should not be payed to the generations following those to that this horrible injustice was done?


  • @F_alk:

    @EmuGod:

    … Yanny, you are judging the compensation as though it were a normal crime. Crimes against humanity are judged differently.
    …If we thought about it your way, why should I as a Canadian pay off the national debt? I mean, it was the generation before me that made this debt so why should I have to pay it off? It’s not like me or my government was responsible for bringing about this debt.

    But compensation should or should not be payed to the generations following those to that this horrible injustice was done?

    good question - not to sideline the thread - but this is similar to the “native question” in Canada - how to compensate for mistakes made by the British and French 00’s of years ago, and then the residential schools and Indian Affairs 40 years ago.


  • @cystic:

    good question - not to sideline the thread - but this is similar to the “native question” in Canada

    It was aimed at that and the “compensate blacks for former slavery…”-thread 🙂


  • again, to clarify
    @Yanny:

    @EmuGod:

    @F_alk:

    @Xi:

    Israel doesn’t call it a Holocaust.

    I did not post that. It looks to me,
    on quick review, as if E_G_ posted it. - Xi

    Please cease and desist referring to it as my quote,
    thank you. - Xi


  • Sorry Xi, probably was trying to multi task too many tasks and typed in the wrong name.

    Under the logic that Germans should have to pay for the Halocaust, Americans should be paying for Slavery.


  • and Logicly there both Stupid Policies


  • Damn you, D_E_S! :lol: -Xi


  • Yeah, one reason I haven’t made up my mind on the reparation question is because of the fact that it might kill more ill-will and resentment among the masses that will have to pay the tax. Of course nothing hits home harder on those two appalling events (slavery and the Holocaust) and forces you to remember the harsh injustices that were done if it comes from your pocketbook.


  • always a pleasure to be damned by XI 🙂


  • Seems to me, the statement:

    “Do <blank>Have a Right to Representation? Some Think Not.”

    It has always been true, and always will be true. Put anything you like in place of <blank>. The key here being the word “Some”. No matter who you are someone, somewhere, hates you and wishes you ill. I’m sure someone even hated Mother Theresa. 😢</blank></blank>


  • @Yanny:

    Sorry Xi, probably was trying to multi task too many tasks and typed in the wrong name.

    Under the logic that Germans should have to pay for the Halocaust, Americans should be paying for Slavery.

    The Germans only pay the survivors themselves not their families. They also give them special priveleges such as dual citizenship as part of the reparations.


  • @EmuGod:

    They also give them special priveleges such as dual citizenship as part of the reparations.

    Do we?
    Well, that doesn’t sound at all like german policy. I only know of the dual citizenship for ppl younger than mpfteen years, to let them decide which one they want to take later.
    That’s a legal privilege that sounds “too much” to my german bureaucratic ears.

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