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@dawgoneit i’m leaving Wednesday for a week. going camping. real camping with a tent and no electric. the way i like it. roughing it for sure.

@wizmark Yeah? The battlecalc says we only have an 88% chance of winning a simple 2 v 1 battle like that, so if you play a lot of games and make a lot of those attacks then I guess you would see a lot of weird upsets over time. I remember I used to be shocked at how powerful the 2 inf, 1 ftr vs. 1 inf attack is (98% even if you’re not willing to risk the fighter) or the 3 inf v 1 inf attack is (90% to win). The odds are weird sometimes; they certainly don’t line up with my intuitions.

Likewise! Good game.

@weddingsinger I’m ready to start our playtest when you are! What’d we agree on, low luck, no tech, balanced mod? You start with Axis? Send me your G1 whenever you’re ready.

@Argothair witch one is the 1939 w.a.w ? if you want get it started and i can go from there.

And I have created some gliders as well as part of a new game. Here’s the link. https://forums.triplea-game.org/assets/uploads/files/1527442241367-italian-air-units-sample.png Unfortunately I will not be releasing the full spectrum of unit images until the game is complete.

Now with territory values and a lighter color for the sea zone!

@CrazyIvan Also for playing online you might want to check out our TripleA forum, especially the stickies there: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/category/28/triplea-support

@axis_roll said in Simplified Bombers, Flak Guns, and Submarines: I can see a mega Allied effort to reduce German income: UK subs, USA planes (mostly bombers and ftrs) There will be many AAA guns and ftrs for Germany… look out for the Russian steamroller coming to (help) bleed Germany dry with stacks of men willing(?) to be thrown to the wolves Heh. Yeah, fair point. If the economic warfare becomes too powerful for your taste, you could always add some or all of the following rules: intercepting fighters score hits on rolls of 3 or less (4 or less?) submarine raids are capped at half the value of a territory submarine raids are capped at one less than the value of a territory bombing raids are capped at half the value of a territory bombers only attack at 2, making them less of a dual-use unit and therefore less valuable each nation can only send one bomber to bomb each territory each turn

@Argothair i’ll take the allies.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 10 TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4 Game History Round: 10 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 armour, 2 destroyers, 3 mech_infantrys, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi 1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi 1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi 1 armour moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi 1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Shensi 1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kwangsi 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kwangsi 1 mech_infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow 1 submarine moved from 23 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 artillery moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsi to 20 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 1 bomber moved from Ceylon to Kweichow 1 artillery moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea Japanese take Dutch New Guinea from ANZAC Combat - Japanese Battle in Java Battle in 25 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 submarine Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 25 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese win, taking Java from Americans with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in French Indo China Battle in Shensi Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shensi, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi Japanese win, taking French Indo China from UK_Pacific, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Kwangsi Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 3 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kwangsi, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.17 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangsi Japanese win, taking Kwangsi from Chinese with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for British: 3 infantry Battle in Kweichow Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kweichow, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Kweichow Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Hunan 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Hunan 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Hunan 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Hunan 3 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Kwangtung to Hunan 1 armour moved from Kiangsu to Hunan 1 armour moved from Kiangsu to Hunan 1 armour moved from Kiangsu to Hunan 1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Hunan 1 bomber moved from Kweichow to Hunan 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kweichow to Hunan 1 fighter moved from Shensi to Hunan 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shensi to Hunan 1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Hunan 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 mech_infantry moved from Jehol to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 aaGun moved from Anhwe to Hunan Place Units - Japanese 3 armour placed in Kiangsu 3 mech_infantrys placed in Shantung 1 transport placed in 19 Sea Zone 2 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 41 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1 Japanese collect 59 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 59 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Combat Hit Differential Summary : Chinese : -2.00 Japanese : 0.33 Savegame

Thanks for the game. Perhaps it was a mistake to give you the shot at London G2. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that. UK was stretched pretty thin, but when it held on in London, I think the Axis were pretty doomed, unless Japan could bring out the victory. Would have been a more interesting game if you’d won. USA would have had to go hard to liberate London and Italy would have gone hog wild. I got unlucky in China when it counted and you looked like cleaning them up easily but India wasn’t in any danger anytime soon. USA was in danger of taking back money islands or at least making Japan fight for them.

@axis_roll and I have agreed to a draw in Game 2 after Germany’s 10th move – Axis_roll was still very much enjoying the game, but I felt that we had bogged down into trench warfare, and that we weren’t likely to learn anything more about the NOs by continuing the game further, so axis_roll graciously agreed to end the game early. I made a couple of mistakes in the opening, including leaving a vulnerable German force in Finland that Russia was able to crush without real consequences, and building a pair of Italian destroyers in the central Med as a blocking force that didn’t quite pay for itself – Britain was able to send its fighters to the far corners of Africa and then get them back into combat in the Indian Ocean much faster than I was anticipating. I’ve never seen a factory in Egypt crank out two carriers in the Red Sea in the same turn! Anyway, we had a lot of fun, and the income was balanced within a few IPCs and likely to stay that way as of round 10. I don’t think axis_roll made any serious mistakes, and I definitely did, so that means the game wasn’t quite balanced – if we wind up in a drawn position with only one player (the Axis) making mistakes, then the rules were favoring the Axis. So, to strengthen the Allies further, we’re bumping a couple of Britain’s Pacific NOs from 3 to 5 IPCs each, requiring Italy to put a boat in the water in order to collect its Mare Nostrum NO, and allowing China to collect reinforcements (both its usual infantry and its Burma Road artillery) based on the situation on the board after China’s combat move, just like all the other countries get to collect income based on the way the board looks after their move. The hope is that a more aggressive China will give Japan more trouble in the early game, and a more lucrative India / Australia will allow Britain to spend money in the Pacific without going broke in the Atlantic, so that it will be a viable tactic for Britain to buy a factory in India on UK1 (or perhaps UK2) if fit wants to. It should similarly be a viable tactic for Japan to attack that factory and try to steal it, but victory should not be guaranteed, and making the attempt should create a real problem for Japan in China. More playtesting is needed to determine whether we’ve achieved our goals! If anyone wants to playtest this on TripleA, let me know, and maybe I’ll code up the NOs for that software. Thanks for following along! Argothair out.

@Argothair said in Balanced Mod [Anniversary 41]: Third draft based on feedback from everyone and playtests with @axis_roll – thank you for commenting! Operation Torch – 3 IPCs if USA has land units in both Morocco and Libya Need to update this USA NO still

I love these rules. My only thought would be “can one play with the victory conditions but with an open ended game”, instead of playing a distinct number of rounds whether it be 8 or ten rounds? I guess you can play until one sides concedes or maybe holding a a certain amount of victory points for a specified number of rounds. I’m aware that if Tokyo, Washington or Berlin fall the game is over but was wondering if Sired Blood’s Group play a version where the rounds aren’t strictly specified.

@Argothair: Some good advice here – I like the idea of Japan coming for Russian’s far eastern territories, and I agree that Leningrad is a ‘must have’ not a ‘nice to have’ for this strategy to go well for Germany. I’m not sure I understand the part about waiting for J2 to declare war so that the US doesn’t reinforce Gibraltar – US Atlantic fleet at start of game is only one transport, one cruiser, one fighter, and one strat bomber – there’s no Allied carrier in the Atlantic, so the planes would have to land on Gibraltar itself. Britain doesn’t have enough ships to protect SZ 91 against both German subs and German planes, even if you add that one American cruiser. Italy should be able to take either Morocco or Gibraltar on I1, depending on situation, so German planes can land. So anything the Allies send to SZ 91 on turn 1 will die on G2, I think. If America wants to head over a turn early and get itself killed, great! With the forces there, italy will have 1 transport available so 1 inf 1 tank and a bomber Against 2 inf and a tank or 1 inf 1 tank and a fighter, those are pretty shaky odds at best. UK can land in Moroco with the forces from canada or UK proper, US can land 1 transport and plane in gibraltar.

Very late to the party here but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a J4 take down of India in about 200 games played. I can’t see the model which allows it. If you miss the J3 window, which the allies might be able to close with a UK1 Burma stack, you’re talking about a J5 attack, assuming a J1 DOW. J5 all the Japanese coastal troops from Jehol to Kwangsi are in range walking overland. That’ll kill anyone barring ridiculous dice or Axis stuff ups. I’m not completely sure of the distinction between J3 and J4 other than 2-3 extra inf on India but maybe that small number of inf really does change things. Probably does given that you’re normally losing planes to take India down J3 if it isn’t evacuated.

I’d rather have cheaper, defenseless transport planes myself. I think that’s totally reasonable, Midnight_Reaper. You could introduce cheaper air transports into this roster without breaking anything important. My preference is for more expensive air transports because the extra price thematically represents (a) the up-front cost of developing the technology and tactics (nobody has to spend money on researching paratroopers for this roster), and (b) the relatively limited supply of air transport available during World War II. There’s a fun little article below about how most of the American Air Force’s transports were either hastily converted civilian planes, or wooden gliders manufactured in piano factories. If the Americans had to make do with makeshift equipment, you can only imagine what the Italians were using. https://amcmuseum.org/history/world-war-ii-transport-and-troop-carrier/ Strategically, air transports provide a much deeper threat into enemy territory that requires a much larger garrison. E.g. if you put an assault boat in the English Channel, it threatens Normandy, Holland, Norway, Hanover, and Denmark. If you put an air transport in London, it threatens all of those plus Paris, Marseilles, Gibraltar, Morocco, Milan, Berlin, Poland, Finland, Austria, and Czechoslovakia. It’s not that I expect anyone to fly many air transports into a battle to use as fodder; it’s just that spending 12 bucks on one air transport can force your opponent to spend more than 12 bucks on extra defending infantry. In terms of rules simplicity, I have tried to eliminate the concept of the “defenseless unit” from my unit roster. I find automatic combat losses to be something of a downer, and I’d rather use that spot in the rulebook for a more interesting rule. All of that said, again, this is mostly personal preference – if you want a $9 defenseless air transport with 4 movement, that’s almost certainly fine.

Oh, and if I’m Axis, then Germany’s first buy is 1 carrier, 1 transport, 1 infantry, and 1 artillery. If you’re Axis, here’s the files you’ll need for Germany’s turn. G40 2nd Edition Default Setup.AAM

IF he puts all 18 inf on amur round 1 you can smash then and then start doing the pacman thing in russia taking away income there. US cannot move forward and if UK helps out china even more free time for japan. This is actualy ideal, if us does not prepare UK is on its own on the european board and if he does taranto you just take london and with nobody hitting your fleet those tanks can more back to moscow soon. Sure russia will be a bit stronger for a few rounds but the extra income boost + lack of pressure will tip the odds soon and with italy making 40+ unopposed how long will russia hold out.

@Ichabod: What�s wrong with the Vichy rulesin BM3 which are regularly played? Nothing. This is just another option.

These look good, I’ll definitely give them a try. I love the simplified rules but the feel of A&A is still there. I have a few people in mind who might like these because they are overwhelmed on the full board.

I wouldn’t, no. I think the fact the you can’t sail from Crete to Calcutta in one turn is a feature, not a big. I’m also not sure the UK needs a free starting factory with these map changes. You do you, though.

Hi Argothair, I like to have more tanks so they can work as a group and help defending India, China and Key Russia territories at the same time when needed.  4 is a bit too little to me and 6-8 makes a decent number to strike back.  I like the mobility of tanks as well as its better attack/defense power.  Also, in round 2, Germany has less chance to stack the Karelia if I have 6 tanks available compared to 4 tanks.

Good Action Argo ! Sounds way cool. Do you plan on making a triplea version ?