This is an issue I wish the game by vanilla would just let you turn over control of territory to your allies as this happened a lot between Germany and Italy. I have allowed enemies forces to capture a territory just so I can turn it over to another.
G1 SBR on UK
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CJ:
I agree the naval conflicts will be in question. The subs are a preparatory purchase for the impending naval battle on G3/G4. I had also considered purchasing a carrier and playing turtle with G1 but I didn’t look at numbers and odds. I purely looked at it from a crush the MIC on G1 as seen below. Also to note, the SRB says nothing about AA guns firing in the sequence as the complexes all have their own “built-in” AA guns. This is what makes this a viable strategy.
Escorts (9d6) = 35 / 28 / 13
Interceptors (3d6) = 35 / 7 / 0.5Germany loses 1 Escort (Fighter)
UK loses 2 Interceptors (2 Fighters)MIC / AB (2d6) = 28 / 3
NB (1d6) = 17Germany Loses 1 TacB
MIC takes on average 11 Tokens
NB/AB takes on average 3.5 or 6 Tokens on AB depending on what gets hit
This is assuming the hit was not on the MIC fireCumulative Complex odds (5d6) = 40 / 16 / 3 / 0.3 / 0.01
This further cements the loss of one of the SRB planes
UK puts on 6 Infantry at a cost of 25 IPC versus 9 Infantry at a cost of 27 IPC
AB/NB disabledItaly SRB
Interceptor (1d6) = 17
Complex (1d6) = 16
MIC SRB = 2 + 3.5 = 5.5 more tokens
G2 SRB
No Escorts, no Interceptors (Attack UK Navy?)
MIC (4d6) = 38 / 11 / 1 / 0.7
Germany loses 1 StratB
UK MIC has 5.5 tokens on it from a potential Italian SRB + 6/8 guaranteed from 3/4 StratB + on average 10.5 - 14 more from the die rolls = in excess of 20 tokens
AB and NB still not functioningUK has to spend 11 IPC to purchase first unit on UK2. I forget what UK2 generally ends up with for IPC, but I don’t think its much more than low 20’s for IPC’s? That means its best purchase is what 3-4 more infantry or a very expensive capital ship for the impending naval battle on G3?
Also realize G2 purchase is most likely the navy required to decimate UK on G3. G2 has 70 or so IPC to spend so you can block in 2-3 Battleships and if you turtled that puts you at 3-4 Battleships the 3 Subs from G1, not to mention the UK battleships may not be repairing from initial sub attacks (I’d pick one of the fleets and send all my subs after it on G1) So you may be able to pick some of the fleet off with an initial wave of fighters on G2 or any remaining subs kicking around from G1. Most of this is just me thinking outloud because I have yet to look at the situation Germany faces (and you may be able to just send 2 escorts instead of 4 to eliminate 2 of the fleets in the Atlantic)
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I see the allure. I am questioning if this is really better than just having the submarines in position and out of danger. On round 2 you can SBR them in addition to your submarines. This may be the better path - especially if your intention is not to take England! Watch them scurry, Russia drop a whole lot of mech infantry at great cost, England retreat back to England as fast as possible, America to put ships out in preperation of liberation attempts - them smash the Russian front lines with everything you have, landing troops in the north, pushing into the east and putting a complex in Romania (so you can put out a transport and sail around their front lines.)
See where I am going? Less risk of losses, more damage.
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I wasn’t really looking at the broad picture, but a specific and extreme display of what SRB does. I saw SRB completely shut down Germany, and quickly.
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I wasn’t really looking at the broad picture, but a specific and extreme display of what SRB does. I saw SRB completely shut down Germany, and quickly.
It can shut England down too. I just don’t think it’s wise to give up your attacks on the fleet just so you can do maximum production damage. Kill the fleet, on round 2 start up maximum production damage, you have 2 free rounds to smash up England and crush their hopes and dreams, you dont have to do it on Round 1 if it will cost you more in the long run than another option would.
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Can’t you do both?
SZ112: 1 Cruiser (UK), 1 Cruiser (FR)
Battleship (113)
Cruiser (113)
Fighter (Slovakia)
TacB (Poland)99% Win
SZ 109: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sub (SZ108)
Sub (SZ103)88% Win
SZ 106: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sub (SZ117)
Sub (SZ118)88% Win
SZ 111: 1 Battleship, 1 Destroyer
Sub (SZ124)
Fighter (Norway)
Fighter (Holland)
TacB (Germany)92% Win
2 StratB (Germany) on MIC
2 TacB (W.Germany) on AB
2 Fighter Escort (W.Germany)Only real change to this is you have less fighters as escorts and you go after just the AB/NB. I’m still undecided which is more valuable to target. NB if you don’t take out that battleship in SZ111 or that transport in SZ109. AB if you get them all.
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Spendo: Your SZ 109 scenario is way less than 88%. Add in 4 fighter scrambles (1 French, 3 British) from England/Scotland. Not to be the burster of bubbles, but better that’s pointed out now than when you play a game, right?
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That specific point is the reason I lose games :?
For some reason I thought fighters could not hit subs, perhaps that was an old house rule or a relic from a prior incarnation of A&A… Or is that a result of the presence of the destroyer?
Room for adjustment then because then 111 could also potentially scramble. I’ll have to re-look some moves then and get back to you tomorrow.
However how would multiple opportunities to scramble work out between SBR and Sea Battles? Have to choose only 1?
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Yes, the destroyer in SZ 109 is why the fighters scrambling can hit your attacking submarines. You would have to hit in round 1 with your submarines and pray England does not get two hits in order to get that transport - that’s a risk I would not take.
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@Cmdr:
Yes, the destroyer in SZ 109 is why the fighters scrambling can hit your attacking submarines. You would have to hit in round 1 with your submarines and pray England does not get two hits in order to get that transport - that’s a risk I would not take.
Actually, if you are doing a SBR on England’s Airbase and succeed, England would not be able to scramble any planes into SZ109, 110 or 111, making an attack with only subs and few planes instead of many a very viable option. The only change I would suggest is hit SZ110 instead of SZ109. Also, your Germany Tac doesnt reach SZ111 unless you plan on building a Carrier.
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@Cmdr:
Yes, the destroyer in SZ 109 is why the fighters scrambling can hit your attacking submarines. You would have to hit in round 1 with your submarines and pray England does not get two hits in order to get that transport - that’s a risk I would not take.
Actually, if you are doing a SBR on England’s Airbase and succeed, England would not be able to scramble any planes into SZ109, 110 or 111, making an attack with only subs and few planes instead of many a very viable option. The only change I would suggest is hit SZ110 instead of SZ109. Also, your Germany Tac doesnt reach SZ111 unless you plan on building a Carrier.
All combat is simultanious. Unless that suddenly changed in Global 1940 - any damage you do to Air/Naval bases won’t take effect until after all your combats are resolved and you start Non-Combat.
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