13L G40 Amon-Sul (Allies+6) vs JapanDOWRound1Fan

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
                  ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 artillery moved from Queensland to South Australia
            1 aaGun moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 fighter moved from New Zealand to Queensland

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Editing Political Relationship for ANZAC and Japanese from Neutrality to Unprovoked
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Shan State : 1 infantry
    Queensland : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    New South Wales : 1 aaGun, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    South Australia : 1 artillery
    New Guinea : 1 infantry
    Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    45 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    54 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
    62 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    Egypt : 2 infantry

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
                  French take Libya from Italians

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Algeria

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

Trans-Jordan : 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 2 infantry
    Normandy Bordeaux : 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    French Central Africa : 1 infantry
    Algeria : 1 fighter and 1 infantry
    Southern France : 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Tunisia : 1 infantry
    Libya : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    92 Sea Zone : 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer
    81 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer

[JDOW]

Hey Amun,

I am afraid we have a rule-Issue here. I am really sorry I did not point this out earlier, but I asked Gamerman and I was really not sure and he could not reply immediately due to internet connection problems.

You made an illegal move during your UK Pacific move.
You cannot move the Battleship during the Combat move phase to queensland and then conduct combat in the SZ with the DD.
A TT does not make an SZ hostile, so you cannot leave the SZ in a combat move ending in a friendly SZ.

I guess we can both agree that my IT1 was not affected at all by this.
You can redo you ANZ and Fre1 if you want and you can also redo your UK PAC1 if you want as no dices have been rolled except for Ethopia which I consider to be not affected and I accept that result.

Please let me know what you think, however I hope you understand I cannot just let me TT go. Again sorry for the late notive, I really wasn’t sure and I did not want to make an issue without any confirmation.

[JDOW]

Anzac btw also meets the NO, I assume you just accidentally made the DOW at the end of the turn and not before the conduct combat phase.

[JDOW]

Nevermind, I will accept that map, I should have pointed that out before my Italy move.

[JDOW]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 5 armour, 5 artilleries and 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                  Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            2 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 mech_infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 mech_infantry moved from France to Southern France
            1 artillery moved from France to Southern France
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 97 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Holland Belgium to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 112 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 battleship; Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26
                Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
                Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Southern France
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Southern France from French with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Gibraltar

Non Combat Move - Germans
            6 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
            3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            5 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
            2 artilleries moved from Romania to Bessarabia
            1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            4 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            1 armour moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            1 aaGun moved from Germany to Poland
            1 armour moved from Western Germany to Poland
            2 armour moved from France to Germany
            2 armour moved from France to Yugoslavia
            1 mech_infantry moved from France to Germany
            1 mech_infantry moved from France to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from France to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from France to Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
            2 bombers moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            2 submarines moved from 106 Sea Zone to 103 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            5 armour and 5 artilleries placed in Germany
            4 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs

[JDOW]

However you should of course adjust your UK Pac and ANZAC income.

[JDOW]

Little NCM Edit

[Amon-Sul]

Ok, I will adjust the income emidiately.

And it is Amon not Amun :D

[Amon-Sul]

@JDOW:

Hey Amun,

I am afraid we have a rule-Issue here. I am really sorry I did not point this out earlier, but I asked Gamerman and I was really not sure and he could not reply immediately due to internet connection problems.

You made an illegal move during your UK Pacific move.
You cannot move the Battleship during the Combat move phase to queensland and then conduct combat in the SZ with the DD.
A TT does not make an SZ hostile, so you cannot leave the SZ in a combat move ending in a friendly SZ.

I guess we can both agree that my IT1 was not affected at all by this.
You can redo you ANZ and Fre1 if you want and you can also redo your UK PAC1 if you want as no dices have been rolled except for Ethopia which I consider to be not affected and I accept that result.

Please let me know what you think, however I hope you understand I cannot just let me TT go. Again sorry for the late notive, I really wasn’t sure and I did not want to make an issue without any confirmation.

Of course i can. And if i can not, then i choose that my battleship does not participate in that battle.

I did my move to Quensland in combat move phase only to avoid it being stuck in combat there, against my will.

Cheers :)

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 8 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Sikang
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Sikang
            2 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 13 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            5 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
            2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Kazakhstan
            2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
            6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey

Place Units - Russians
            8 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

Yunnan : 1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Sikang : 3 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
    Yenisey : 6 infantry
    Amur : 2 aaGuns and 12 infantry
    Kazakhstan : 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
    Bryansk : 4 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 22 infantry
    Archangel : 5 infantry
    Russia : 1 airfield, 8 artilleries, 1 factory_major and 2 infantry
    Ukraine : 1 factory_minor
    Volgograd : 1 factory_minor
    Novgorod : 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    114 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser
    115 Sea Zone : 1 submarine

[JDOW]

@Amon-Sul:

And it is Amon not Amun :D

Sorry about that.

[JDOW]

Hmm, strange. the engine does not let me attack Kwangtung, despite the political relationship is set “unprovoked”.
Not sure what do do now :-/

[JDOW]

@Amon-Sul:

Of course i can. And if i can not, then i choose that my battleship does not participate in that battle.

I did my move to Quensland in combat move phase only to avoid it being stuck in combat there, against my will.

Cheers :)

No, you can’t;) And gamerman already confirmed that, the rules are also clear about it:
Europe 2nd edition:

If you are sharing a sea zone with surface warships (not
submarines and/or transports) belonging to a power with
which you are at war, this situation requires you to do one
of the following:
• Remain in the sea zone and conduct combat,
• Leave the sea zone, load units if desired, and conduct
combat elsewhere,
• Leave the sea zone, load units, and return to the same
sea zone to conduct combat (you can’t load units while
in a hostile sea zone), or
• Leave the sea zone and conduct no combat.
Once these sea units have moved and/or participated in
combat, they can’t move or participate in the Noncombat Move phase of that turn

See bold. A TT does not make a seazone hostile, so you may not leave that SZ during the combat move phase ending in a friendly sea zone.

[JDOW]

@Amon-Sul:

of course i can. And if i can not, then i choose that my battleship does not participate in that battle.

Sidenote:
And this is not possible by definition, also stated in the rules, either all or none fight, it is not possible to keep selected units out of a battle.

[Amon-Sul]

@JDOW:

Hmm, strange. the engine does not let me attack Kwangtung, despite the political relationship is set “unprovoked”.
Not sure what do do now :-/

Set it to war instead of unprovoked.

[Amon-Sul]

Triple A allows me to move any unit anywhere in the combat move phase as it is noncomabt phase.

then it is a triple a problem ok i ll contact gamerman

[JDOW]

@Amon-Sul:

@JDOW:

Hmm, strange. the engine does not let me attack Kwangtung, despite the political relationship is set “unprovoked”.
Not sure what do do now :-/

Tried it and does not work either. I may try to load your ZH1 file and I might try to redo your UK turn and edit the results of IT and G2. A bit fizzy but I see no alternative right now.

Set it to war instead of unprovoked.

@Amon-Sul:

Triple A allows me to move any unit anywhere in the combat move phase as it is noncomabt phase.

then it is a triple a problem ok i ll contact gamerman

Yeah, unfortunately the tripleA client is not the perfect gatekeeper to make sure the rules are met during all phases of the game. Gamerman has a long list of little bugs which have to be fixed. this is one of it.

[JDOW]

Hey Amon (Sorry again I really hate spelling names incorrectly, this happens rarely to me),

it fiddled around and reconstructed the moves from UK1 and edited them to the real and posted combat results. Now everything works again. TripleA seems to have a problem with political relationships changed in edit mode. I am quite confident the file is identical to your posted RU2 file.

Some notes:

• Please check the file if everything is correct. You now also have the correct income which is 15 more total than in the previous version;)

• Regarding the Transporter. I am pretty much sure that the rules did not allow your move. However I already said I accept the map because I wanted to do G2 before I go to bed as I go to bed earlier and wanted to give you the chance to do RU2 while I am asleep:)

So: I leave this up to you. If you’d like to make any changes to avoid the mistake, I would be glad about it, but if no, I will fully accept it and continue with my J2. Please let me know how you want to proceed.

• I realized you made an Edit during your Anzac move and relocated the US Philippines DD and Sub. It’s really a minor issue because it looks obvious you just forgot them. However, there have been dices rolled in between and the fact I scored zero hits in Yunnan can certainly affect the decision whether to do unprovoked or not with UK/Anzac which imo could have an effect on how to deploy your US ships because there are alternative options but moving them to Queensland.
  Small issue and I am fine with it. I would just ask you to at least mention such edits after your move to at least give me the chance to review it.

Thanks a lot and best regards,
Tobias

[JDOW]

And here is the file