@Tizkit nice idea on the dice :+1:
French figures–-less than what a normal power would get?
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A&A is a lot better. there isnt a contest. But upon looking at the new global board, and my “War game” board…they look almost the same. I could hardly believe it. Sure one has ugly 1980s colors(TWG), and the other is done professionally(A&A).
But the idea is pretty similar. Axis and allies is far superior, just noticed some similarities. -
Well IMTO the number of French army units will have to be quite small in comparison to the German’s.
_Go ahead and let the stats fly.
Raw numbers do not equate with battlefield effectiveness and victory requires more than an awesome head count.
Indeed, as this isn’t ASL where the fine print on counters and a quagmire of rules tell the tale of the specific differences between this tank and that tank, or the limitations of the tactical doctrine of Nation X, or the morale of veterans from Nation Y, etc. etc. etc. then adjusting the quantitative difference at set-up is the only way to depict a qualitative difference.
Thus, IMTO we must face the facts that the number of units on the board will not always represent the size of the army. C’est dommage. :cry:
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Well IMTO the number of French army units will have to be quite small in comparison to the German’s.
_Go ahead and let the stats fly.
Raw numbers do not equate with battlefield effectiveness and victory requires more than an awesome head count.
Indeed, as this isn’t ASL where the fine print on counters and a quagmire of rules tell the tale of the specific differences between this tank and that tank, or the limitations of the tactical doctrine of Nation X, or the morale of veterans from Nation Y, etc. etc. etc. then adjusting the quantitative difference at set-up is the only way to depict a qualitative difference.
Thus, IMTO we must face the facts that the number of units on the board will not always represent the size of the army. C’est dommage. :cry:
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What does IMTO stand for?_
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Well IMTO the number of French army units will have to be quite small in comparison to the German’s.
_Go ahead and let the stats fly.
Raw numbers do not equate with battlefield effectiveness and victory requires more than an awesome head count.
Indeed, as this isn’t ASL where the fine print on counters and a quagmire of rules tell the tale of the specific differences between this tank and that tank, or the limitations of the tactical doctrine of Nation X, or the morale of veterans from Nation Y, etc. etc. etc. then adjusting the quantitative difference at set-up is the only way to depict a qualitative difference.
Thus, IMTO we must face the facts that the number of units on the board will not always represent the size of the army. C’est dommage. :cry:
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I don’t have to give you wiki pages or anything, the mere fact that Larry said the French Army will be well represented in Europe 1940 is relieving enough. :D_
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I’d just figure that since France isn’t a main line combatant, they wouldn’t have as many figures as, say, Britain, but I would think they still get all the unit types. I would just assume they would end up being the pool size of ANZAC or Italy. As always, I think it would be better to have more pieces than fewer. However, France will probably be distinguished as having the least used pieces in the whole game. If things go as they should, Germany will take France before they can even buy anything on their first turn. Germany should then hold France for the whole game until the Allies take it back at the end before they win. This will likely give France 1, 2 maybe 3 turns (if the Germans just won’t surrender) to buy stuff. Actually, even if it takes the Allies 3 turns to take Germany after landing in France, it will take one whole turn for France to regain its money and then buy. So I think France might get 2 turns of buying. And with their terribly small income… I don’t see them buying a whole lot in the way of diversity in units… unfortunately.
I would not be opposed to some French Resistance rule where the French get 1 or 2 infantry spawned in France per turn… These French would then have to make a combat attack against Axis units in France. They would likely be dead after combat, which should probably happen, and you couldn’t evacuate them to Britain or anything. I don’t know… a rule like this would have to be thought out a bit.
I just know that I hated the French Resistance rule in AA Revised. 3 infantry after taking France… come on, how pitiful. I thought that was a really dumb National Advantage. Something like I proposed might at least make it more realistic or useful.
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I’d just figure that since France isn’t a main line combatant, they wouldn’t have as many figures as, say, Britain, but I would think they still get all the unit types. I would just assume they would end up being the pool size of ANZAC or Italy. As always, I think it would be better to have more pieces than fewer. However, France will probably be distinguished as having the least used pieces in the whole game. If things go as they should, Germany will take France before they can even buy anything on their first turn. Germany should then hold France for the whole game until the Allies take it back at the end before they win. This will likely give France 1, 2 maybe 3 turns (if the Germans just won’t surrender) to buy stuff. Actually, even if it takes the Allies 3 turns to take Germany after landing in France, it will take one whole turn for France to regain its money and then buy. So I think France might get 2 turns of buying. And with their terribly small income… I don’t see them buying a whole lot in the way of diversity in units… unfortunately.
I would not be opposed to some French Resistance rule where the French get 1 or 2 infantry spawned in France per turn… These French would then have to make a combat attack against Axis units in France. They would likely be dead after combat, which should probably happen, and you couldn’t evacuate them to Britain or anything. I don’t know… a rule like this would have to be thought out a bit.
I just know that I hated the French Resistance rule in AA Revised. 3 infantry after taking France… come on, how pitiful. I thought that was a really dumb National Advantage. Something like I proposed might at least make it more realistic or useful.
The French Resistance rule is now put 4 inf in paris the 1st time it’s liberated
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The French Resistance rule is now put 4 inf in paris the 1st time it’s liberated
Is that a National Advantage then? Will there be optional NAs in Global 40? Or are we talking about House Rules here?
I remember National Adv. from Revised but they haven’t been included in any game since then, so my little group has sort of ignored/forgotten about them.
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The French Resistance rule is now put 4 inf in paris the 1st time it’s liberated
Is that a National Advantage then? Will there be optional NAs in Global 40? Or are we talking about House Rules here?
I remember National Adv. from Revised but they haven’t been included in any game since then, so my little group has sort of ignored/forgotten about them.
I think it’s a standard rule
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I’d just figure that since France isn’t a main line combatant, they wouldn’t have as many figures as, say, Britain, but I would think they still get all the unit types.
I thought I saw somewhere in the “facts” that the only French sculpt is infantry.
Now I don’t know if that means that they’ll be blue Shermans (for instance) in the French arsenal or what.
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I’d just figure that since France isn’t a main line combatant, they wouldn’t have as many figures as, say, Britain, but I would think they still get all the unit types.
I thought I saw somewhere in the “facts” that the only French sculpt is infantry.
Now I don’t know if that means that they’ll be blue Shermans (for instance) in the French arsenal or what.
Yeah, I heard that too, but I thought in that picture of the map we have seen the French have more than just infantry. Maybe I am seeing things.
And I would assume also… or at least HOPE… that they would have the French Navy on the Board to start with. France did have a first rate Navy to start the war… buuuutttt… then the British had to scuttle them so the Germans couldn’t use them. It would be interesting to see how that fact is approached by the game designers.
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Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.
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I’d just figure that since France isn’t a main line combatant, they wouldn’t have as many figures as, say, Britain, but I would think they still get all the unit types.
I thought I saw somewhere in the “facts” that the only French sculpt is infantry.
Now I don’t know if that means that they’ll be blue Shermans (for instance) in the French arsenal or what.
Yeah, I heard that too, but I thought in that picture of the map we have seen the French have more than just infantry. Maybe I am seeing things.
And I would assume also… or at least HOPE… that they would have the French Navy on the Board to start with. France did have a first rate Navy to start the war… buuuutttt… then the British had to scuttle them so the Germans couldn’t use them. It would be interesting to see how that fact is approached by the game designers.
yes I’m wondering if that talk about “only infantry” is a “criticism” from the gamers who want to see Nation specific for everything and cringe at the thought of a blue Spitfire…
And definitely agree the French should have some naval muscle… mind you then I start leaning towards a scuttle rule and Vichy… KISS is drawn into the abyss of those terrible historical “ifs”.
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Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.
The game does start after Dunkirk.
However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.
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I would hope the French get just as many pieces as ANZAC, or more. I don’t think they should get a really small number of pieces because the creators assume Germany attacks France on the first turn. Not everyone plays as competitively as some of those in the extreme. We might like to goof off and attack Russia first or attempt Operation Sea Lion. Or we’d like to leave France alive to see what they could’ve done if Germany had tried a Reverse Sheifflin plan. The game creators shouldn’t pigeonhole a player into his strategy by jipping us on pieces, or operate on assumptions that everyone wants to play according to what happened in WWII.
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I would hope the French get just as many pieces as ANZAC, or more. I don’t think they should get a really small number of pieces because the creators assume Germany attacks France on the first turn. Not everyone plays as competitively as some of those in the extreme. The game creators shouldn’t pigeonhole a player into his strategy by jipping us on pieces, or operate on assumptions that everyone wants to play according to what happened in WWII.
Hey I agree! I always play to win… so that would probably rule out ignoring France, but I believe the game creators should give you the option by giving you enough pieces. I think that is good justification for more pieces… not that this will convince anyone at WOTC. I am sure they wish to save and make as much money as possible.
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Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.
The game does start after Dunkirk.
However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.
I disagree. If France doesn’t fall by the end of G1, the Germans don’t automatically lose, it just means they’re in serious trouble against the Soviets and would have to think fast. I highly doubt Larry would make it so that if the French survive Germany and Italy’s first turn the Allies automatically win.
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I don’t think the Allies would automatically win if France wasn’t eliminated on the first round. Russia will probably start out pretty weak and won’t threaten Germany for a few turns. Plus there shouldn’t be many units in the UK to cause Germany any problems.
I don’t want France to be a complete walkover for the entire game. I’d like it of they at least took a part in some African battles, as they did in the actual war, and I want them to have a respectable navy. I think the best rule would be one similar to China’s: were, even if they loose their capital, they can still collect IPCs and build infantry and artillery in their African colonies
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Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.
The game does start after Dunkirk.
However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.
I did some research last night and found out that the if the French are in control of their country at the start of the game … then the French Navy MUST still be “alive”.
The game starts befor the fall of France. This still leaves reasonable assumption that Dunkirk has happened (May 24-26 1940). French resistance ended on June 25. The British bombardment of the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kebir happened on July 4 (70 years ago tomorrow, interstingly enough).
Based on this information, French ships should still be present at the start of the game. They cannot say the game starts after Dunkirk AND the scuttling of the French Fleet. It is impossible because France is autonomous at the start of the game. I for one hope that France has ships and something can be done with them. Either the French person keeps them, the British can sink them or the Germans can use them, I don’t care. As long as they are there.
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I don’t think the Allies would automatically win if France wasn’t eliminated on the first round. Russia will probably start out pretty weak and won’t threaten Germany for a few turns. Plus there shouldn’t be many units in the UK to cause Germany any problems.
I don’t want France to be a complete walkover for the entire game. I’d like it of they at least took a part in some African battles, as they did in the actual war, and I want them to have a respectable navy. I think the best rule would be one similar to China’s: were, even if they loose their capital, they can still collect IPCs and build infantry and artillery in their African colonies
Also, I think Larry said the Soviets cannot attack any Axis power for a few turns, though I’m not sure as to the exact number. The Soviets WILL be well-represented, but just not in a position to defend themselves or attack.
I also agree that they should build infantry and artillery in the colonies, at least that means their power won’t steadily dwindle instead of getting increasingly more powerful, as they did in real life.
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