I meant Kaingsu, just easier to type Kai.
I don’t think 4 factories is needed. That’s a bloodly aweful lot of manufacturing and while Japan is rich, they are not that rich, IMHO. (Then again, I like to build fighters every once in a while, and it would be nice to afford a tank each round instead of 100% infantry!)
Three is where I think you are fine.
India, Burma, Fic. That’s 7 Units going along the south augmented by 8 Units from Japan going along the North or Central routes. 15 Units is a lot of units. 15 Infantry is 45 IPC, 15 Armor is 75 IPC. A combination of the two is probably all you can afford as Japan. Less if America’s coming for you in the Pacific.
I like the SUM IC. 4 Units a turn that can be transported to IND or PER
I might be inclined to agree with you, Bongaroo, but I have seen too many successful American campaigns in the Pacific so far. If America’s hitting you in the Pacific, it is to easy to get your forces either tied up defending Sumatra or have reinforcements built in Sumatra get cut off from the mainland.
Also, it’s my personal opinion, that an Industrial Complex is supposed to get units onto the mainland faster, not to build them on an island and transport them. That’s why I don’t support a British complex in Australia or a Japanese one on the islands. (Though, for America, i will build them on islands because it’s a way to reinforce the navy faster and stage landings without having to transport units across the Pacific.)
Now, that’s just my opinion on the matter, it’s not to say one is correct and one is incorrect.
@Cmdr:
I might be inclined to agree with you, Bongaroo, but I have seen too many successful American campaigns in the Pacific so far. If America’s hitting you in the Pacific, it is to easy to get your forces either tied up defending Sumatra or have reinforcements built in Sumatra get cut off from the mainland.
Also, it’s my personal opinion, that an Industrial Complex is supposed to get units onto the mainland faster, not to build them on an island and transport them. That’s why I don’t support a British complex in Australia or a Japanese one on the islands. (Though, for America, i will build them on islands because it’s a way to reinforce the navy faster and stage landings without having to transport units across the Pacific.)
Now, that’s just my opinion on the matter, it’s not to say one is correct and one is incorrect.
The US coming strong would certainly have me reconsidering the proposition. One reason I particularly think it is a good placement is you get more units produced for your money. 4 instead of 3 or in the case of FIC 2.
Another reason I enjoy it is that I have found myself with 2 or more transports in the Indian Ocean area of the board often with nothing to do. After Australia and India are captured they have a long trip back to Japan to really serve a purpose.
I’ve also heard people mention they’ve needed somewhere besides SZ62 to place naval units when SZ62 is under threat.
There certainly are pros and cons to it.
Yea, there are always pros and cons.
Pro: Russia/England can almost never capture it like they can India, Burma and/or FIC.
Pro: 4 Units instead of 2 or 3 Units per round
Con: You have to spend 14 ICP for Transports to move the units off and you need to protect those transports from attack.
@Cmdr:
I meant Kaingsu, just easier to type Kai.
It’s Kiangsu, not Kaingsu…
Most efficient: Ind and Man. + trns ofcourse, what are you going to spend the 60+ IPC’s on otherwise? And if things go really well, a third one in Burma or Egy is always fun :evil:
Usually FIC & IND for sure, and then MAN and/or SUM depending on the game. Almost never KIA unless I’m delayed building MAN.
I also like SUM because of its capacity and location. It’s not the best for gnd units because of the need for transports, but it’s very useful for popping out aircraft and ships when you need them.
i always build sumatra
these are the reasons
it’s 2 full boatloads that are close to africa and straight into india
you get them 1 turn faster than FIC
This topic was assuming KGF so assuming KGF sumatra is always better.
Vs an american fleet
It’s still great you get to build fleet where you need it if he goes south.
It’s easy to defend
it means your slower on the mainland with an american gunning for you.
but who cares
if no america going to italy or germany
then germany should be able to hold off britian and russia.
Btw you should be able to win the fleet battle too
you earn 60 ish
he earns max 48$
that means you put an extra 2 ss a turn onto the board.
Interesting discussion. From the map, it’s clear that India is the best possible factory for Japan. So when do you like to build there? Turn 4 maybe?
I find a Turn 2 build in Sumatra very tempting for reasons already described above. But Sumatra will require 2 transports (not too much of a problem given that Japan starts with 5).
Cmmdr Jen makes some good points above about the problems with an island factory….so it’s hard to tell whether Manchuria or Sumatra is the better choice.
I would think those 3 would be the max and Japan should be gunning for Cauc as its 3rd or 4th factory.
Keep in mind that SUM can be used for naval and acft builds…. no transports needed.
