Yeah Yunnan keeps Burma Road almost always open since China can keep the five bucks coming in, the artillery buy just adds an advantage. It’s really hard to use China offensively against a Japanese player who knows what they are doing but in my games, I find Japan going after India by sea any ways.
Should Japan ignore China?
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Under current G40 rules, I actually argue that it is worth Japan not taking over China: There is no point capturing the entire nation. You just need the cities in China and you already are in great position. Burma Road is the only key objective in China regardless if Japan is going after India or not. You can isolate the Chinese military and force them to react against Japan 100%.
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I almost never build a factory in a chinese territory unless I’m doing a delayed Japanese attack. A factory in FIC is so much better.
In conclusion, Japan can quickly make China irrelevant which is more effective and less time consuming than defeating them entirely.
Agree with most of this but I disagree that a factory in China isn’t needed. I do agree that one in FIC is more important. If you are doing a J1 and putting a factory in FIC J2, one can go into Kiangsu J2 or J3. That’s much better for restraining China and reinforcing the victory city.
Shantung is in some ways better because it’s closer to the Russian front but that can be a disadvantage too. If it’s built in Kiangsu it’s easier to hold the victory city against a determined US invasion.
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I almost never build a factory in a chinese territory unless I’m doing a delayed Japanese attack. A factory in FIC is so much better.
In conclusion, Japan can quickly make China irrelevant which is more effective and less time consuming than defeating them entirely.
Agree with most of this but I disagree that a factory in China isn’t needed. I do agree that one in FIC is more important. If you are doing a J1 and putting a factory in FIC J2, one can go into Kiangsu J2 or J3. That’s much better for restraining China and reinforcing the victory city.
Shantung is in some ways better because it’s closer to the Russian front but that can be a disadvantage too. If it’s built in Kiangsu it’s easier to hold the victory city against a determined US invasion.
I am kind of in the FIC boat on this one because you can beat up China with the Japanese navy by building transports and just bring them to the mainland and then factory FIC for the invasion of India.
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Not completely sure what you mean by the FIC camp - we’re all agreed that an FIC factory is very important for Japan.
One of the problems with using transports instead of an IC to put troops on Asia is that you have to defend them and it isn’t much of an IPC saving even if you have transports doing nothing. Really, avoiding an IC in China is radical penny pinching!
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I always take down China first and place an IC in Shanghai.
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You need transports and another fleet for Japan if you want to go after ANZAC, Dutch, or India anyways so building transports is a must.
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@Caesar:
You need transports and another fleet for Japan if you want to go after ANZAC, Dutch, or India anyways so building transports is a must.
True. If you can keep the original 3 afloat then the 2 more bought on J1 end up being plenty, though. Those 2 new units get what you need to close the Burma road south quickly enough for J4 attack on Yunnan.
Then, if you lose too many inf/art in the Philippines attack on J1, You can replace them for the attack on Malaya J3 using a new transport picking up from FiC, for example.
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Yeah which is why FIC is key but adding any more minors in China seems pointless with a transport fleet.
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@Caesar:
Yeah which is why FIC is key but adding any more minors in China seems pointless with a transport fleet.
I think it depends.
If you get lucky and don’t lose much of anything during attacks on Philippines and Malaya (or on the Money Islands themselves, if UKPac/ANZAC occupied some), then the FiC factory is all about the mainland, but often at least one if not 2 buys over rounds 3-7 are for transports to reload and retake.
My 1st factory that I put in Shantung is useful for fast movers that can be in Yunnan or Burma in 2 turns, more attacks on western China, or on J4 or J5 I usually have China and UKPac under control and invade Russia (+1 ipc for Amur on J4, +5 ipc on J5 with the help of 1 tank). Another valid option is a lot of fast movers on the main land headed straight for Moscow (you can hit those 6 Russian infantry that have been coming from Siberia before they reach Moscow) or the Middle East to help clinch things for Germany.
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@Caesar:
Yeah which is why FIC is key but adding any more minors in China seems pointless with a transport fleet.
The Japanese fleet has enough to do without shielding transports ferrying troops to the Chinese mainland. To save 12IPCs?
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