• i don’t think it makes USSR in trouble, ya from Japan, but not as much from Germany as they also arn’t geting the IPC’s from Affrica (or atleast not as many) meaning they have less ground troops for Europe to buy each turn. also it gives the UK more ground troops to ship to USSR to hold out, or push into Norway that much sooner and hold it.
    this also allows the US to not go for affrica and accually fight for it so they can start shiping men to UK/affrica to make there big Europe push OR allows them to put more pressure on Japan earlier.
    if Germany sees this and says “it’s a waist of my resources” then it frees up Japan but also frees up UK and US, well both USSR and Germany both suffer about the same (Germany less troops each turn/ USSR gets hit by Japan sooner/harder).
    if Germany sees the factory and shots for it, then less troops to fight USSR, and the UK can hold the German advance for long enough for US to get there. so again good for the Allies (only not AS good as if Germany dosn’t go for it).
    i think this factory is a good stratagy for the UK as it adds much to the Allies, and only hurts Germany with the posibility of hurting Japan.

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    Just b/c UK may pull out of Ind on Rd 1, does not necessarily mean they give it to Japan.

    UK can counter Ind with 1 inf + bom for 2-3 turns, assuming Japan is only going in with max of 2 inf, which is probably a safe assumption in this case since the have to take China in rd 1 and the UK still has a solid IO presence.  The UK can also shuttle troops from Ken back to Per or Ind since they should have their AC, dd, and trn (or trns) around.

    If Japan does sink them that helps the US in their Pac build up.

    Outside of the Safr IC, I find pulling out of Ind and the continued threat by UK troops in Per a pretty good deterent against Japan for quite a few turns which is why I don’t like to counter Egy all that often.

  • 2007 AAR League

    Trying to hold India is usually a losing propositon.  Better to pull the forces out and redploy to Africa.


  • That depends on your long term objectives.

    If the Allies can trade India for 2-3 turns, it can be a very positive move for the Allies in a SJF game, especially if combined with an early Allied move into Africa (both North and South).  And though i have never played using it, with a UOSA IC placed immediately, combined with moves such as a UK Fleet Consolidation in SZ30, trading India for several turns, UK and USA into Algeria and then central Africa, and solid moves w/o dice fracks by Russia…  It can result in the Axis never gaining the economic boost they need to combat the Allies effectively.


  • :roll:
      I have considered the SA IC and rejected it long ago. Even with a good R1 the innitial investment of 15 IPC is one that demands near future builds, most likely 2 tanks, (10 more IPC )! That is 25 IPC that will not be getting to aid Russia, ever! Germany can easily reinforce Egypt for a couple of turns before it either loses its’ Med fleet or successfully defends the attacks from the south. All the time drawing off more UK funds that should be helping Russia. As the Axis player I am grateful for all this nonsense. I will push my large Infantry buys towards Russia without fear of my flanks being threatened from the British. And my Nippon navy will be steaming full force for SA on J2 with all transports fully loaded. It will be a short delay in Asia, but well worth it.
    That’s my 2 rubles worth on this flawed Strat.
      C.I.  :roll:


  • That Japan move leaves some nice openings for the Allies (remember I said a UOSA IC was viable in a SJF game).

    Russia will have 6 INF massed in Bury after R1 (typical SJF R1 move).  W/o major reinforcement of Asia, Manchuria falls on R2 (+3 to Russia).
    Sinkiang will also remain US Controlled, inviting another IC by the Allies on US1 due to the lack of Japan forces in Asia
    2 INF, 1 ART, 1 ARM are dropped from EUS into Algeria on US1, and a ship or 2 to reinforce the SZ55 fleet.

    Now, is Japan going to go full tilt toward Africa under those circumstances?  Probably not the best move Japan can make at that point.

    Again, I am not saying a UOSA IC is an excellent strat, but it is a viable strat, especially if not countered correctly.  And your statements above are not the best counter because:
    1.  It draws Japan away from their main economic expansion areas early and allows Russia to gain income (and more men to counter Germany).
    2.  It forces Germany to keep sending forces to the African meat grinder ($6 minimum per turn)
    3.  It allows the US to Island Hop, unless Japan spend more money on fleet (more IPC’s not going into manpower against Russia)

    And ARM built in UOSA is not completely wasted even if Africa is abandoned by the Axis.  3 turns to get ARM to Caucuses to help the Russians, compared to 2 turns from London via TRNs in SZ4.  Not that much of a delay in exchange for keeping Germany down $2 instead of up $10 in Africa.


  • SA IC might be a feasible strat if UK is to sure hold it. If G builds a trans in med, or start with a med trans bid, then G can take the
    factory in SA if they want to, and also with some help from Jap perhaps. Then G would probably keep Afr for many rnds,
    and US have use 3 rnds just to take it back…
    UK should not build IC in SA if G go AE heavy in G1. If UK knows for sure they take back AE, and that the UK pac fleet
    can live long enough to reach SA then perhaps. 
    I can’t say for sure that it’s not gonna work, but again I wonder why I hardly can recall to have seen this strat before.


  • even if Germany makes a push for Africa, if the US takes the opertunity they can drop some troops right into Africa on US1 to also slow the Germans… the UK may even be able to drop troops via Transport if need be, although i don’t see that as a good idea. the idea is to make sure the Germans don’t gain Africa, and with that complex there i think it can work even if both Germany and Japan make a push for it as it pulls both nations from there other more vital front of the USSR.
    as is with most stratagies it’s a gamble, but it is one that i think can work for the Allies if the US and UK both work with it.


  • Pervavita, you might wanna try this strat against me. Just for fun. LL or ADS up to you. No tech.
    Use triplea.
    I can host via hamachi. 
    I’m a newb so it will be an easy victory for you.


  • no techs: wast of $, never use them… although with the new rules it is interesting to try them out. but ya, i’m not a fan of techs any way.
    now i’m a big Japan buff, i avoid UK and US like the plauge, no joke.
    now i have only ever played 1 game on the new board (secound comes up this weekend/hope to get a third too), so i can’t say i’m not a nob ether.

    LL or ADS up to you.

    i’m new hear so havn’t picked up there meaning for sure, i think LL is ment to be low luck or no dice… no clue how that works. ADS i guess means with dice, or some other thing meaning just that.

    Use triplea

    no clue what that means, sorry

    I can host via hamachi

    again not sure what this means…. i’m sure its one way to play online, but i never have so not sure how it works.

    now as for the game, you Axis, me Allies. got that (i hate playing allies), but i’m up for it.
    open a thread in the “game’s in progress” or where ever it’s suppost to go so we arn’t taking up space hear… as we are now OFF TOPIC… atleast untell we get results. i may need lots of help getting started (but not with stratagy)


  • I don’t play by forum. Real Men Play Real Time. Teh Real Deal  :wink:

    Step 1.
    http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki

    Step 2.
    https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/vpn.asp?lang=en

    If you have any questions, we can use the software forum, player help forum, or send me a pm.


  • thx, but the game will have to wait then. i’m at work  :wink:


  • Sure. I play everyday sometimes. I can play almost anytime. Send a pm if you wanna play, and we sort out the details.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Likewise, if the allies are determined to hold the IC in South Africa, no power the Axis can bring, short of taking England and Russia, will cause it to fall.

    Sure, Germany can get 4 units into Africa.  England can get 8 units into Africa, America can get 12-14 units into Africa a round. (Obviously not AND keep England AND Russia from falling, but the opponents to USOAF-IC arn’t taking into consideration the major drain to axis power in trying to TAKE the IC, why should I take into consideration the major drain on allied power to keep it? :P)


  • Now that would be funny game. Jap IC in East Indies J1 and the whole Jap fleet to sz 34/AE along with 6 ftrs 1 bmr and everything else.
    G builds 4 trans in Italy, 5 G ftrs + 1 bmr lands in Libya.
    Let’s forget about the capitals, SAF is what matters  :-D :-) 8-) :lol: :-P :evil: :wink: :mrgreen:

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    You laugh, but I’ve countless games now where an IC I built became the center of focus for my opponent and they forgot about the purpose of the game.  I call it “cheetah-ing.”  You lock onto a target and can’t look elsewhere, even if a better target is available, just like when a cheetah choses a target out of a pack, it will jump over fallen targets and easier prey to get the one it picked before the attack.


  • I kind of feel the opposite way so far in our games, Jen. I watch you dump an IC + 2 inf 2 arm + more in Africa, then I just run away. Way I see it is by committing to an IC so early like that you have less defenses/offense in the Atlantic, which makes me happy - more time against Russia! I’m more of a cheetah that looks for easier targets; it makes no sense to fight a big war diverting 2 units + airforce every round just to contest Africa, not even take it. Just let the UK dump their gear into S. Africa in response to a threat that hasn’t even surfaced yet, then out we go to Persia to meet the Japanese or divert westwards.


  • @Bean:

    I kind of feel the opposite way so far in our games, Jen. I watch you dump an IC + 2 inf 2 arm + more in Africa, then I just run away. Way I see it is by committing to an IC so early like that you have less defenses/offense in the Atlantic, which makes me happy - more time against Russia! I’m more of a cheetah that looks for easier targets; it makes no sense to fight a big war diverting 2 units + airforce every round just to contest Africa, not even take it. Just let the UK dump their gear into S. Africa in response to a threat that hasn’t even surfaced yet, then out we go to Persia to meet the Japanese or divert westwards.

    That’s exactly what I posted and my sentiments exactly

    +1 karma

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Yes, and you also lost Africa which is a significant portion of Germany’s income.


  • Afr belongs to allies, sometimes G have a little part of it, AE, but usually allies will take back all of Afr.

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