I played a game where my Japanese counterpart played this strategy upon my recommendation. It was a disaster for us, because it was just not practical for controlling Asia, at all.
J1 Kwangtung IC.
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I see your point, ncscswitch :-)
nonetheless: I am still in doubt
it needs more coordination and thinking in advance if you don’t build that 2nd IC…
but, it’s true:
if you can keep the math clear in your head, it’s better not to have that 2nd IC in J4 or J5
and only build it when you reach your supply limit…for me it’s much easier to built that extra IC and only keep track of the building limits there, rather than do the math on the trannie limits :-P
it’s easier, but it’s not strategically better :-o -
the nice thing about mainland IC builds is you can go into deep water with your fleet or bounce it around africa/alaska as a distraction and still be sending units into asia or use it to supplement your IC mainland production. 1 IC in kwang and four trannies and you are sending 3 units/turn into china and 4/turn into both FIC and bury.
even with all that the FIC IC is still strategically better than kwang (imho) but it is also a much more tired and worn strat being a standard J1 for me since the earliest days of classic. new is always fun for our group and if i do pull japan next game (i have been chomping at the bit to do so for SEVERAL months now) i am going kwang IC J1 just to see what it presents.
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I don’t necessarily agree with not buying an IC for japan 1st or 2nd turn. Â Sure that is three armors, but you still need to invest in trannies to get them over to the mainland, not to mention you can only transport two tanks at a time on two trannies which cost 1 more than one industrial complex. Â With a build in indochina I can now automatically put three armors there next turn which have access to the china/sian passage or can harass britian in india. Â Britan now has to decide if they are going to try and hold india or if they are just going to give it up. Â If they try to hold it most will build an IC there and that will eventually fall, and if they don’t try to hold it I now can dominate a straight passage to the caucauses as well. Â I actually might try that next game. I have been building an IC on turn 2 in china with japan and immediately going for three trannies on j1 but next time I am actually going to try going 1 trannie j1, 1 IC, and then 2 infantry. And to the topic creator I have tried blding an ic in kwang and I feel it is inferior to the FIC build.
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the kwang IC is best when UK is foolish enough to put one in india for you
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Oh without doubt… if you are going to be gifted with an India IC, then by all means, put one in Kwang or Manch :-)
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The problem with an IC in one of the coastal territories (not being India…)?
it has no AA to start with!if you play the rules by the book:
if you build an IC (without an AA) and you would be strategically bombed?
you would lose 1 die roll of IPC’s for every bomber, but every die roll would be limited to the territories IPC value.
so, if you build an IC in Kwangtung and UK placed his bomber in SB range on UK1?
this means you will lose an average of (1+2+3+3+3+3)/6 = 2,5 IPC’s per bomber as long as you don’t put an AA there!
as long as UK hasn’t got himself an offense land force with enough cannon fodder to protect the bomber to be taking as casualty, he will not need the bomber elsewhere…so, actually, your IC on the mainland (if not placed on India) would cost you 20 IPC’s to be save…
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Most people use LHT 1.1 with says that an area cant lose more IPC´s then it´s worth in a turn, regardless of how many bombers engage it.
So on UK Turn you can only bomb 3 IPC away from Japan (regardless of the number of bombers sent.).
The US may bomb 3 from Japan in it´s turn and so on…
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Japan is worth 8 :)
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I don’t think Japan is ever in a situation where it needs to worry about SBR on mainland ICs. If your playing with LHTR rules then you lose barely any IPC’s a turn. If your playing with standard rules you still shouldn’t worry because if Britain has that many bombers AND he’s using them against Japan, then Germany got a huge break and shouldn’t have much naval competition. Also, after J4ish most bombers will be out of range anyways, I think.
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Industrial Complexes for Japan is worthless.
Don’t be fooled by their propaganda!
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This from the man who drops either 2 the first round, or 1 a round until he has the continent LITTERED with Japan IC’s :-P
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Lies! Nothing but LIES!!!
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