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Game of Thrones
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@wittmann:
Jermofoot: sorry, did not mean to be cryptic.
I meant Jon Snow and his girlfriend. I can’t stand her whiny Northern accent.
I am not too bothered about the Winter reference and those Northern Wildings and the White Walkers either.
I like the good life of the Southern Royals (in Summertime!).I figured that’s who you meant, but wasn’t sure exactly. I think next season you’ll enjoy quite a bit then as we should be seeing much of the Southron Dorne state and more of the Martells.
I’m on board with the Lyanna/Rhaegar as Jon’s parents as well. I actually went looking for the wiki/forums you linked to see if I was some sort of crazy for thinking that.
I’d thought from the first book that Ned was not Jon’s father and the Ashara Dayne as Jon’s mother by Ned was just too obviously a red herring.
I’ve only read the novels proper and have not read any of the Dunk and Egg or even the available preview chapters for “Winds of Winter.” I was pushing hard to stay ahead of spoilers via the HBO shows since November (books 2 through 4.5) and I’m on a bit of a break. There is also a lot to digest. I’m glad I got to read them all in fairly rapid succession.
Stuff like always saying Jon looks like Arya who looks like Lyanna would sort of get lost if I’d been following on the as they are published path.
My big but really kind of little question is Littlefinger and Sansa related. Is Littlefinger really “creeping” on Sansa with the kissing or is that some sort of magic or prophecy? Like a milder form of the Crone/Cersei foretelling.
Much of the little details I don’t quite remember. As you know, there’s a ton going on - characters, history, locations, food descriptions, etc. There’s actually a theory that Ashara Dayne is Jojen and Meera Reed’s mother, but less evidence seems to point to that.
I did remember that Jon and Arya looked alike with reference to Lyanna as well, and that stood out to me. It’s obviously used as evidence of the theory of Jon’s parents.
I think LittleFinger has an ego to feed that really tells about his character. He works undercover/behind the scenes as he wasn’t the strongest, bravest, or even smartest guy out there. He’s got a chip on his shoulder regarding rejection, especially from Catelyn. So controlling things is some restitution regarding his previous experience, and using Sansa as a tool for his aims also satisfies his grudge with the Tullys/Starks. I think he may actually care about her, but would not bother to betray her for his own gains. Perhaps we’ll see some redemption from his character. Of course she’s also beautiful so I don’t doubt he wouldn’t mind having a romp, but think this could inhibit reaching his main goals.
And to mention Cersei, another theory (theories) we’ve discussed - Ser Robert Strong’s identity, there whereabouts of The Hound, and, if what we think may have happened to them, a potential showdown.
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The books really go downhill after a Storm of Swords.
They just have the characters meandering about aimlessly, with the author getting cold feet and refusing to kill off any more major characters.
The last two books should be ignored by the TV producers (or used for lighting fires) in favour of a completely new parallel storyline.
In the latest series but the Moondoor scene should have been the last of the entire season (like in the book); they placed it far too early. Also, the Moondoor should have been vertical, not set in the floor.
As far as the finale is concerned, I back Dany, Arya and Bran as the Dragonriders. Otherwise the last as remote pilot to a beast piloted by an inebriated Tyrion.
Oh, and the actor playing Littlefinger should be drowned. His scenes should all be reshot using Tim Roth.
http://whatculture.com/tv/game-of-thrones-8-characters-who-didnt-meet-our-expectations.php/8
http://www.dailyedge.ie/aiden-gillen-littlefinger-accent-1438486-Apr2014/
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Wow. Totally disagree, Flashman.
I think the chief difficulty of books 4 and 4.5 is that they aren’t book 3. ASOS from the Red Wedding to the end is like a constant stream of “Holy Crap” moments. It’s tough to keep up with that. But I rather liked Jon and Tyrion’s story and couldn’t help but laugh at Dany making a mess of things in Mereen and the whole scene with Drogon in the fighting pit was kind of spectacular.
Totally disagree about Arya and Bran as dragonriders. Bran has more or less gone down the memory hole in my opinion. As to Arya maybe total disagreement is a strong phrasing but I don’t see any thing to indicate that’s in the realm of possibility (so far.) Maybe she ends up as one of Dany’s cup girls but I’m not seeing dragonrider in her future.
I can’t wait to see if Margaery totally set-up Cersei with asking Pycelle for moon tea. Total amateur move unless she wanted Cersei to think (whether she was or not) she was banging around on Tommen. I don’t think for a second she couldn’t get it on the quiet from the serving girls.
So yep, Jermo count me in on the “Grand Tyrell Conspiracy” more or less.
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The author has already said it’ll be tough to keep up with the TV show; at his rate of writing the series will be ahead of the books in a couple of years. All the more reason to ditch Feast for Crows in favour of an entirely new script.
Otherwise the ratings will fall drastically when people realise it’s just become a soap.Any chance of the Drogo-Dany monster child still being alive?
Mormont told her it was dead and buried, but it was never actually seen.
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I don’t think so on Dany’s half-dragon spawn. Mormont gave me the impression that it was best it died and was a bit relieved he didn’t have to kill it himself. Where is it if it lived? Who took it away? Why would Mormont participate in that?
My impression is the current season is just going to finish all of ASOS. So they’ll have taken two seasons with that book. If they then take books 4 and 4.5 into three seasons he should at least have book 5 out by time to turn that into a season. Making it four seasons might even be possible without dragging it down. (I don’t watch the show so I can’t really speak to the pacing and what they’re pulling from where at the moment.)
But it does seem like they’re going to overtake the novels. I think a bigger concern would be that Martin’s not going to live long enough to finish the books.
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He clearly finds them a “bitch” to write; perhaps he should hand over the task to someone else.
He’s created a vivid fantasy world, but seems unable to go anywhere in it now except concentric circles of the same thing.
And why don’t the horses wicker any more?
If the next 2 seasons are a straight working of the last 2 books, then how many memorable scenes will there be?
Cersei’s walk of shame, and, er, um.
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Please note, SPOILERS AHEAD.
The aforementioned scene when Drogon comes to the wedding festivities in the fighting pit. Weddings are never dull in A Song of Ice and Fire.
I thought Tyrion’s travels down the river through the ruined cities were neat.
The Night’s Watch trying to kill Jon Snow seems pretty much a “Holy Crap” moment.
Reek growing his balls back and escaping Winterfell.
Pretty much anything with a Bolton is full on creepy.
Brienne back from getting hung and getting hung in the first place.
As I said before the chief difficulty is after the last quarter of ASOS everything is going to seem tame. Perhaps you just have no patience.
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I think a problem is that the author had too many major changes and deaths in a chronological period of 3 or 4 years. He maybe thought it was too much to be believable.
The book after ASOS could have been set 10 years further on when things had been allowed to settle down; but then is Stannis going to camp at the wall for 10 years?
TV wise, the division of the 2 books into 2 sets of parallel stories will not do, but the problem is that blending them into one narrative gives too many storylines with only a few scenes for each of them. Now, if they extended each season to 20 episodes…
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The books really go downhill after a Storm of Swords.
They just have the characters meandering about aimlessly, with the author getting cold feet and refusing to kill off any more major characters.
The last two books should be ignored by the TV producers (or used for lighting fires) in favour of a completely new parallel storyline.
While book 4 was a let down (and shorter) compared to books 2 & 3, in hindsight, it wasn’t uneventful. It basically was setting the stage for the climax as the series resolves itself. And I thought book 5 was an upswing and on par with 1-3.
I wouldn’t mind seeing divergent paths between written and filmed material, and am used to it in other series, particularly manga (Gantz and Full Metal Alchemist come to mind). However, the word is that the show writers and directors know the details of how it ends. I think the fans aren’t that faroff either, but GRRM has said the ending will be “bittersweet” - there’s still a lot to come, I think. Just laying the groundwork for it now: Lannisters in decline, wildling integration and new northern threat, Dany & her dragons, the other Targaryen in Westeros with an army, Littlefinger seemingly raising the Vale under him (with an unblemished army to boot), Dorne secret allegiance with Targaryens, Ironborn still loose, the Starks Return?..…that’s just off the top of my head.
I can’t wait to see if Margaery totally set-up Cersei with asking Pycelle for moon tea. Total amateur move unless she wanted Cersei to think (whether she was or not) she was banging around on Tommen. I don’t think for a second she couldn’t get it on the quiet from the serving girls.
So yep, Jermo count me in on the “Grand Tyrell Conspiracy” more or less.
I don’t doubt that possibility - but I would think the Tyrell matriarch is behind it all. Mace is the face of the family and really just a run-of-the-mill warrior, portrayed in the show and books as such.
My impression is the current season is just going to finish all of ASOS. So they’ll have taken two seasons with that book. If they then take books 4 and 4.5 into three seasons he should at least have book 5 out by time to turn that into a season. Making it four seasons might even be possible without dragging it down. (I don’t watch the show so I can’t really speak to the pacing and what they’re pulling from where at the moment.)
But it does seem like they’re going to overtake the novels. I think a bigger concern would be that Martin’s not going to live long enough to finish the books.
Book 5 “should be” out next summer. They spent 2 seasons on Book 3, which has been claimed not to occur again, but I don’t see how they are going to follow the books translated directly as seasons for the next two. Since they are concurrent, it needs to be melded together and shown in that manner, and I think that will help keep attention better. It may very amount to 3 seasons, and I’ve heard that they supposedly estimated 7-8 seasons in all. But we’ll see once it happens. The books will be Ghostwritten, in the case of the Wheel of Time series, and he’s prepared for that as well.
e’s created a vivid fantasy world, but seems unable to go anywhere in it now except concentric circles of the same thing.
Where? I don’t know what you mean so you’ll need to line out where you think this.
Cersei’s walk of shame, and, er, um.
I will trudge through 2 boring, uneventful, dull seasons just to see this.
The book after ASOS could have been set 10 years further on when things had been allowed to settle down; but then is Stannis going to camp at the wall for 10 years?
Why? I don’t see how that addresses anything and skips over a ton of stuff (which I listed above). You may as well say “it was all a dream” and end it.
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They can’t just straight make book 4 the next season. More or less no Jon Snow, Tyrion, and Dany. I simply don’t see that happening. They more or less have to be doing some of books 4 and 4.5 in the same season and there is way too much for just a single season. Unless they just flat out drop some stuff which can’t help but force a pretty extensive divergence from the books.
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Just laying the groundwork for it now:Â Lannisters in decline, wildling integration and new northern threat, Dany & her dragons, the other Targaryen in Westeros with an army, Littlefinger seemingly raising the Vale under him (with an unblemished army to boot), Dorne secret allegiance with Targaryens, Ironborn still loose, the Starks Return?..…that’s just off the top of my head.
Yes, but does any of that make great TV, especially with no major characters kicking the bucket?
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Is that all that makes great TV?
First off, people are invested for 4 seasons. There are many things to address:
Arya
The Hound
The Mountain
A New King
Stannis and his quest for the throne
Wildlings
WTF with the Others?
Dany
Tyrion
The Boltons
Ironborn
Littlefinger/Sansa
Martells/Oberyn’s death
Varys
Brienne
Bran/Hodor
Margery/Tommenagain, off the top of my head. And there’s still more to come.
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I was a bit put off with what initially felt like an out of nowhere sidetrack with the Ironborn in Book 4. But then they rolled out the horn to control the dragons and suddenly we have a looming confrontation and accompanying intrigues over who will be Master of the Dragons. I’m wagering on a sudden but inevitable betrayal from the priest sailing with Victarion Greyjoy. What I had thought was a detour and “why are we spending time on this?” is something I’m quite eager to learn the resolution of.
Unless done poorly I’m unsure how that wouldn’t be interesting TV. Especially since Dany is pretty popular. Victarion looming ever closer and hanging over everything she does would be an interesting theme for a season or just an arc of episodes.
You can’t have a red wedding every week.
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But so many storylines to cram into 10 episodes; most characters will get about 3 scenes in the entire 5th season.
And nobody dies.
Apart from –-e—.
A sad loss I don’t think.
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Last book not even started on yet.
At his rate of scribing there’s no way it’ll be finished before the relevant TV season is made.
Martin will have to supply the producers with a skeleton version of the novel for the final TV shows - aired before the book is published:
https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/george-r-r-martin-rules-eighth-game-thrones-104152422.html
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But so many storylines to cram into 10 episodes; most characters will get about 3 scenes in the entire 5th season.
And nobody dies.
Apart from –-e—.
A sad loss I don’t think.
There simply isn’t a way to do the next season the way the books are, it’ll have to be combined. I think it’ll be more exciting that way.
Last book not even started on yet.
At his rate of scribing there’s no way it’ll be finished before the relevant TV season is made.
Martin will have to supply the producers with a skeleton version of the novel for the final TV shows - aired before the book is published:
https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/george-r-r-martin-rules-eighth-game-thrones-104152422.html
He knows how he wants it to end - I think the path to get there is the hard part. He’ll finish.
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Anyone else super, super disappointed by the final episode of season 4?
From “disappointed” to “omg, how could they ruin it so hard”, this order:
1.) Skeletons instead of wights?
2.) Letting Jojen die. What if he still has a role to play in the times to come?
3.) Tysha. She was almost the whole motivation behind Tyrions decision to go to Tywin. There’s also a huge difference between leaving Jaime in a fight or not. It means a lot for Jaimes path to redemption.
4.) Leaving out Coldhands. Such a mysterious and interesting figure!and of course the worst thing:
- Brynden Rivers, aka the Three-Eyed-Crow. WTF? He looks like grandpa just accidentally sitting in a chair made of roots. He should look more like being part of the tree. Almost consisting of roots and branches and so on. And he has TWO EYES?!?!?! He even mentions “Watching with a 1000 eyes and one” in the series… oh my god, seriously. I hope they fix this next season.
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