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It’s the 1940 game board; the one you normally play on.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Research Technology - Germans
            Germans spend 5 on tech rolls
                Germans rolls :  1/1 hits
            Germans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research.
            Germans discover Airborne_Forces

Activate Technology - Germans
            Germans activating Airborne_Forces

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 destroyers and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens;

Combat Move - Germans
            3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            2 artilleries moved from Holland Belgium to France
            3 armour moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
            3 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            2 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Southern France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            2 artilleries moved from Greater Southern Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Romania
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to France
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to France
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 110 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone

Airborne Attack Move - Germans

Combat - Germans
            Russians scrambles 1 units out of Novgorod to defend against the attack in 115 Sea Zone
            British scrambles 3 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 110 Sea Zone
            British scrambles 1 units out of Scotland to defend against the attack in 109 Sea Zone
            Battle in France
                Germans attack with 4 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery
                    AA fire in France :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 2 :  6/15 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 2 :  7/11 hits
                    5 infantry owned by the French, 6 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 aaGun owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in France
                    Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 3 :  5/8 hits
                    French roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in France, round 3 :  1/6 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French, 1 armour owned by the French, 1 armour owned by the British, 1 artillery owned by the British, 1 artillery owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in France
                    Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 4 :  4/7 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 fighter in France, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in France
                Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital
                Germans converts factory_major into different units
                Germans win, taking France from French with 4 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
                Casualties for Germans: 3 artilleries and 6 infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery
            Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in 111 Sea Zone
                retreated to 111 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
            Battle in Eastern Poland
                Germans attack with 1 armour and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 :  2/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland
                Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 1 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
                French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter; British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  6/7 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    British roll dice for 3 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/3 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the French, 1 cruiser owned by the British, 2 fighters owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the French, 2 fighters owned by the Germans and 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 110 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 battleship owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 48
                Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                    Germans roll dice for 2 mech_infantrys in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                    Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans retreated to Holland Belgium
                French win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 109 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Southern France
                Germans attack with 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys in Southern France, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys in Southern France, round 3 :  0/3 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Southern France
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Southern France, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 4 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Southern France
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Southern France, round 5 :  1/2 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 5 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the French lost in Southern France
                Germans win, taking Southern France from French with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in 115 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 cruiser
                Russians defend with 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                    Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the Germans and 1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 115 Sea Zone
                Russians win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 cruiser
                Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
            Moving scrambled unit from 109 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Scotland
            Moving scrambled unit from 115 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Novgorod
            Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 infantry moved from Norway to 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from France to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            2 destroyers placed in 113 Sea Zone
            3 infantry placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3
            Germans collect 35 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 54 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to France: 5 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Southern France: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

If you are interested in exploring some new ways to play the game, please check this thread for more information:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=32937.0

Cheers, M_I_R

Grendal vs. rjpeters70 is posted here, with rules and introduction:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=33368.0

I leave it to each of you to get in touch with your respective opponents and begin the games on the appropriate threads.

If you have any questions for me about the variants, rule-related or otherwise, feel free to post them here and I will respond as soon as I receive them.

Thanks again, and have fun,

M_I_R

Actually, we are still working on the first game. We only get to play for a few hours each weekend so sometimes a game of Global 40 will last 2 or 3 weeks. Luckily, I have a room where I can keep the game set up.
Aside from a number of odd ball placements, I noticed two main differences: 1 > the Soviet Union forces started a lot more spread out across Russia which made Germany’s initial attack a little easier. 2 > the United States had almost no presence in the Pacific. The bulk of the US Navy ended up in SZ 101, plus most of their ground units and air units in East USA. As a result, they decided on a “get Germany first” strategy and almost ignored the Pacific.
That caused Japan to get HUGE. At present, Japan rules the Pacific, including Australia, and is threatening the US West coast. Japan also took out all of China and India.
Germany managed to take Moscow and make the Russians extinct. However, USA and Britain overwhelmed Germany and Italy and liberated Paris. There are no Italian units left and only 3 German units left on the board.
So, on the Europe board, we have a lot of German controlled but unoccupied Russian territory with the US, British and French occupying almost all of Europe and ready to start moving into Russia. Japan rules most of the Pacific board and is threatening the US West coast. Japan also has a small force traveling through the Middle East. They made some landings in Africa, but the Brits spanked them hard. The Brits are strong in Egypt with part of the US Navy there to back them up.
Technically, this would have been an Axis win with Japan getting 6 of 8 VCs on the Pacific board. But when Berlin and Rome fell, we decided to see how this plays out.

:-(

:wink:

Alright man. How do you want to do this :?

I’m militantly against low-luck… Willing to put the choice of sides up to die roll if you’re okay with that.

Best,

MIR

Thank you.

Thanks for playing and good luck in the next round.

Bacala

@Make_It_Round:

:-D

DiceRolling 1d2:
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I’m the good guys!

Okay Wirkeymon, I’ve given you my email, and the thread, so now it’s up to you to kick things off…

@BJCard:

Well, the Russians will likely have few artillery and tanks, so if Germany attacked the Russian stack with all its air (5 Fighters, 5 Tac Bombers, 2 Str Bombers) they could kill all the armor in the first round, greatly diminishing the Russian’s defensive capability (or if the Russians were on offence, the German air could kill its armor AND artillery, effectively neutering the attack and dooming Russia).

With the US- Japan starts with 11 Fighters, 8 Tac Bombers, and 2 Str Bombers, a much bigger Navy than the US with its measly 5 Fighters, 1 Tac Bomber, and 1 Str Bomber.  And that’s if the US doesn’t send any aircraft to London.  Just in aircraft alone, the US would need 149 IPCs to achieve parity- or the first 3 full purchases (if Japan did a J3).  No cheap DD/SS fodder- no new carriers (Japan has 3 to the US’s 1).  Japan will always have air superiority and thus always target high value ships (BBs/CVs) first.

I’m not sure where you get that the Allies have the advantage in Global 1940- all the bids are to the Allies (go look at the games being PBF), and many times the bid isn’t even enough.

If you wanted to use the air supremacy rules, it could be good, but you’d have to change the entire setup to reflect the power aircraft now have.

The obvious Allied counter would be to prioritize aircraft production, like in the real war (see: Battle of Britain, Battle of Midway, Battle of Kursk), which isn’t as daunting as your projections would indicate.

Because planes can’t land in newly-conquered territories, each side could use their air units to cherry-pick the other fellow’s best offensive units on their respective turns, resulting in a mutual neutering until somebody finally broke through.

It would be a bloodbath in the sky for the first few rounds, but the Allies have the economic clout to pull off air superiority in the long run… and with this targeting prize, air superiority would really mean something worth fighting for, for a change.

Cheers, gg to u2…

@Veqryn:

Why concede?  It is not low luck.

I do not enjoy playing against MIR due to some attrition we had on some napoleonic games. I’d rather concede. Sorry Veqryn but I really want to enjoy my games, not caring for win/lose.

Well played sir!

Thank you for the game, and I wish you luck in the next round of the tournament.

lalapalooza

Later on yes: probably G40. Now lets play the new Napoleonic. Please remember thats a new game and we are not necessary enemies.

I so would, if I was anywhere near the Middle East.  How far is that from California?

i think dimax started a thread right before you posted this one:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28533.0

gl

Let’s call this, due to apparent lack of interest.

We’ve all got other games to play, better to just officially drop this methinks.

GG, MIR

Cool shit.

@Make_It_Round:

I think it is possible, however tedious, to count the number of meaningful choices that players have in any given game, and to guess at one’s enjoyment threshold in terms of these.

It is utterly impossible to count the number of meaningful choices that players have in any given game because each “meaningful choice” is a product of the other “meaningful choices” that were made previously. Furthermore, each “meaningful choice” is then subject to all of the possible dice outcomes, and thus multiplied by all of those possibilities and then multiplied by all of the “meaningful choices” offered by the various non-combat possibilities as they are determined by the dice outcomes. As you can see we get into these massive factorial situations where we are multiplying massive exponentials by even more massive exponentials until what is essentially infinity.

To make a comparison: In chess there are only 20 possible moves to make on the first turn. (16 pawn moves and 4 knight moves) The opponent is faced with the same. So the possible combinations for the opening 2 moves (1 each) in chess is 400. None of which are absolutely stupid. there are 8,902 possible moves by 2 each and by move 7 there are almost eleven MILLION possible positions. That’s without dice, with only 2 players, with a much much much more limited scope for unit movement, no scope for adding units and far far fewer spaces.

Now you asked about the “meaningful choices”. Some work has been done in this regard in chess and it seems that in the average game of about 30 moves (moving a single piece at at time. There are over 4.5 MILLION games outcomes in smart competitive situations. Now, multiply that by the factor of dice, multiple movement of units, game spaces, purchases and the fact that most AA games will see over 100 times that 60 units move factor and you have an utterly infinite combination of outcomes.

Which is part of the reason it is so much more entertaining than chess.

…or maybe just because we get to play with little tanks and planes.

Need scramble orders for all SZs surrounding UK… Cheers, MIR

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