Russian Fighter in AngloEgypt?


  • 2007 AAR League

    Wanted to get your thoughts on flying the Russian fighter to AE on R1 to make the German conquest of Africa that much harder.  Thoughts?


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    You just loose a Russian fighter.

    1 or 2 Fighters, 1 Bomber, 4 Infantry, 1 Armor vs 1 Inf, 1 Arm, 2 Fig is almost no change as against 1 Inf, 1 Arm, 1 Fig.  (assuming 2 infantry bid in Libya)



  • I tired this in my current game.

    I lost the FIG, still lost Egypt with 2 Geman ARM there, and I lost hte Ukraine battle due to the lost offensive punch.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @ncscswitch:

    I tired this in my current game.

    I lost the FIG, still lost Egypt with 2 Geman ARM there, and I lost hte Ukraine battle due to the lost offensive punch.

    Worse still, you are now short a fighter for trading territories with which means you either build another one, or start sending artillery or worse armor into lands you don’t have the ability to hold.



  • Eh, I bought one on R1, figuring I would lose the FIG, but I expected higher casualties in Egypt from it.



  • I thought bidding died with the new veresion.



  • Just much smaller now.

    Average is in the 7-9 range instead of the mid 20’s


  • Official Q&A 2007 AAR League

    I don’t think Russia has anything to spare other than the Sub. If it isn’t between Moscow and the Japanese or Germans it isn’t where Russia needs it.



  • If Germany has a starting bid in the Africa, never.

    Even if not, you still shouldn’t.  Germany can hit with 2 inf 2 arm 1 fig 1 bomber vs 1 inf 1 tank 2 fig and win easily.

    The thing is, if you fly a fighter to Anglo, it becomes a more important target for Germany, because that Russian fighter can be a MAJOR pain.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Personally, I like to bid 31 IPCs.  1 Battleship SZ 5, 2 Infantry Ukraine, 1 IPC to Japan. 🙂



  • Any bid over 16 is an Allied loss.  3 TRN in the baltic allows Sea Lion to happen even without LRA with a 78% chance of a win.  Even an 8 bid is a bit risky… a 1 in 3 chance of a successful Sea Lion on G1… if Germany uses the bid for a TRN…

    (though a TRN bid would amost certainly draw 1 or both Russian FIGs to London)


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @ncscswitch:

    Any bid over 16 is an Allied loss.  3 TRN in the baltic allows Sea Lion to happen even without LRA with a 78% chance of a win.  Even an 8 bid is a bit risky… a 1 in 3 chance of a successful Sea Lion on G1… if Germany uses the bid for a TRN…

    (though a TRN bid would amost certainly draw 1 or both Russian FIGs to London)

    Me thinks our good and faire moderator missed my point….who is gunna bid higher then 31!!!  Witha  31 IPC bid I am almost guarenteed of getting the allies, especially since I am reasonably sure no one is gunna bid higher then 10 IPC…



  • Was not missing the point, just using it as an apportunity to illustrate 🙂


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @ncscswitch:

    Was not missing the point, just using it as an apportunity to illustrate 🙂

    Okyday.  But still, imagine if someone else didn’t want to be axis and bid 32+!  Wow!  What a dynamic shift in game mechanics THAT would result in!



  • I’d probably resign in that circumstance… but it would not happen.  I’d NEVER bif the Axis that high.



  • @Jennifer:

    @ncscswitch:

    Was not missing the point, just using it as an apportunity to illustrate 🙂

    Okyday.  But still, imagine if someone else didn’t want to be axis and bid 32+!  Wow!  What a dynamic shift in game mechanics THAT would result in!

    32 would be 3 trannies in baltic + 1inf 1 arm in libya

    haha poor UK  :evil:


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @ncscswitch:

    I’d probably resign in that circumstance… but it would not happen.  I’d NEVER bif the Axis that high.

    And that’s the point.  I know the bids comming in around the 7 to 9 IPC mark, but I’d be willing to settle for a 10, 11 IPC mark game too.



  • I am sure you would… as the Axis 😛


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Actually, even if you bid 10 as the Axis, I’d still kill ya.  We’re still talking about maybe 2 Infantry Libya, 1 Infantry Manchuria and 1 IPC to Japan.  Not a vast difference in game play.



  • After combat, i always put both ussr fighters into India on go 1, then move any UK there that can reach as to secure India for the UK factory i put there at the end of G1.



  • @Jennifer:

    Actually, even if you bid 10 as the Axis, I’d still kill ya.  We’re still talking about maybe 2 Infantry Libya, 1 Infantry Manchuria and 1 IPC to Japan.  Not a vast difference in game play.

    I think the point of an African bid is freeing the German Med fleet to move west while still allowing Germany to take Anglo-Egypt on with good chances.  The Med move preserves the Atlantic sub, threatens any Allied navy west of Algeria in conjunction with W. Eur. fighters, and threatens unification with the Baltic fleet on G2 unless the Allies do some expensive countering.  Rather a different game from the usual German btl/trns/fig vs UK destroyer.  If the Germans unify by G2, the Allies can only stop them by paying through the nose; otherwise, the Allies have an easy time of cutting the German fleets in half.

    “After combat, i always put both ussr fighters into India on go 1, then move any UK there that can reach as to secure India for the UK factory i put there at the end of G1.”

    “UK1”, not “G1”, of course.  I personally don’t like that move, because it really messes with USSR’s ability to trade territory with Germany for those first couple of turns, but that’s purely personal preference.  I thought about doing that in a KJF combined with either a unified UK Indian fleet, or with a UK fighter joining 6 USSR infantry in Burytia, and I think 1-2 Russian fighters to India could be a sound KJF or 8 VC game strat.  If you’re reading this, Shadowhawk, I’m probably going to try some variation of that as the Allies, if I end up playing with them in our 8 VC game.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    I agree.  If I plan to hide like a school girl cowering from an overly menacing mcdonald’s double cheeseburger with my fleet, I’ll put my bid into Ukraine to cost the Russian’s a lot if they go for my fighter.  If I plan to unify my fleets I’ll put my bid into Libya so I can still close off Egypt, and I’ll by pass the British Destroyer in SZ 15 so I have more punch against Englands Atlantic Fleet. (By more I mean the sub goes after the Tran in SZ1 instead of the BB in SZ 13.)



  • @Jennifer:

    I agree.  If I plan to hide like a school girl cowering from an overly menacing mcdonald’s double cheeseburger with my fleet . . .

    Traumatic personal experience?

    Oh well, if you ended up looking like that in a bikini, I’m not complainin.


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