Xdap rd6 Atlanta Axis(allies) vs allweneedishank

[boldfresh]

well, i just caught up and realized that hanklove massacred the entire allied pacific fleet.  that changes things considerably.  however, i still think this one’s too close to call, although as you will see, i have taken a different tack than atlanta in the RWANDA especiale.  perhaps both will work, but i think the allies need to play pretty aggressive now.

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 artillery, 3 fighters and 9 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Urals to Evenkiyskiy
                  Germans take Evenkiyskiy from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Timguska
                  Germans take Timguska from Russians
            1 artillery moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Kazakhstan
            1 armour moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
            6 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            2 bombers moved from Southern Italy to 113 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
                  Germans take Holland Belgium from Americans
            1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                  Germans take Normandy Bordeaux from Americans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Finland to Norway
                  Germans take Norway from Americans

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Kazakhstan
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 mech_infantrys in Kazakhstan, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Kazakhstan
                Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Caucasus
                Germans attack with 7 armour and 6 mech_infantrys
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 7 armour and 6 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 2 :  7/13 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus
                Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 7 armour and 6 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in 113 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 2 tactical_bombers in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the Russians and 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 113 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 2 bombers and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Finland to Sweden
                  Germans take Sweden from Neutral_True
            5 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Switzerland
                  Germans take Switzerland from Neutral_True
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Turkey
                  Germans take Turkey from Neutral_True
            1 armour moved from Volgograd to Afghanistan
                  Germans take Afghanistan from Neutral_True
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Kansu
            1 aaGun moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
            2 aaGuns moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 armour moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            4 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 mech_infantry moved from France to Yugoslavia
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Yugoslavia
            2 bombers and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 113 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            4 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from France to Southern France
            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Western Germany to France

Place Units - Germans
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Russia
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            1 artillery and 3 fighters placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2,5,2,4,2
            Germans collect 65 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 65 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 90 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Kansu : 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
    Evenkiyskiy : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Timguska : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Kazakhstan : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys
    Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Southern France : 5 artilleries and 7 infantry
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 9 infantry
    Western Germany : 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 8 infantry
    Germany : 1 factory_major
    Norway : 1 mech_infantry
    Holland Belgium : 1 artillery
    Southern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 6 tactical_bombers
    Belarus : 1 flag
    Karelia : 1 flag
    Baltic States : 1 flag
    Rostov : 1 flag
    Urals : 1 flag
    Vyborg : 1 flag
    Archangel : 1 flag
    Russia : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 3 mech_infantrys
    Ukraine : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 3 mech_infantrys
    Novosibirsk : 1 flag
    Vologda : 1 flag
    Volgograd : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 3 mech_infantrys
    Novgorod : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Caucasus : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 8 armour and 6 mech_infantrys
    Smolensk : 1 flag
    Samara : 1 flag
    Afghanistan : 1 flag, 1 armour and 3 infantry
    Turkey : 1 flag, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Switzerland : 1 flag, 3 infantry
    Sweden : 1 flag, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 9 mech_infantrys
    Finland : 1 flag, 5 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 70 / 90
    Russians : 9 / 0
    Japanese : 53 / 65
    Americans : 55 / 83
    Chinese : 11 / 13
    British : 42 / 47
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 3
    Italians : 16 / 9
    ANZAC : 10 / 18
    French : 5 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 6 / 0

[allweneedislove]

i submerged your sub.
feel free to roll it on the forum if you wanted it to fight.

[boldfresh]

1 in 12 to drop an aircraft vs lose a useless sub?  Easy choice.

[rgp44]

@Boldfresh:

well, i just caught up and realized that hanklove massacred the entire allied pacific fleet.  that changes things considerably.  however, i still think this one’s too close to call, although as you will see, i have taken a different tack than atlanta in the RWANDA especiale.  perhaps both will work, but i think the allies need to play pretty aggressive now.

Bold, that happened quite a while ago, you mean all this time you’ve been spouting off about we had the game in the bag you hadn’t even looked at the last 2 rounds???

[rgp44]

rolling sub

[rgp44]

Rolling 1d6:
(4)

[rgp44]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            1 infantry moved from Yenisey to Yakut S.S.R.

Turn Complete - Russians

Territory Summary for Russians :

Anhwe : 2 aaGuns and 9 infantry
    Yakut S.S.R. : 1 infantry
    Buryatia : 2 infantry
    Tobruk : 1 flag
    125 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Iraq : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 70 / 90
    Russians : 9 / 0
    Japanese : 53 / 65
    Americans : 55 / 83
    Chinese : 11 / 13
    British : 42 / 47
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 3
    Italians : 16 / 9
    ANZAC : 10 / 18
    French : 5 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 6 / 0

[boldfresh]

@rgp44:

@Boldfresh:

well, i just caught up and realized that hanklove massacred the entire allied pacific fleet.�  that changes things considerably.�  however, i still think this one’s too close to call, although as you will see, i have taken a different tack than atlanta in the RWANDA especiale.�  perhaps both will work, but i think the allies need to play pretty aggressive now.

Bold, that happened quite a while ago, you mean all this time you’ve been spouting off about we had the game in the bag you hadn’t even looked at the last 2 rounds???

i never would have IMAGINED that you guys would let them sink your whole pacific fleet!  you had it in the bag before that happened.  :|  you are still strong, but i would have to say they are now favored.  nothing a big dicing can’t fix and the dice gods owe you one in your favor!

[allweneedislove]

is there a problem with the ussr file?
i could not open it.
can you please upload it again, or is there a problem on my end?

[allweneedislove]

attacker 1sub, 2tacs, 2 bombers
Rolls: 1@2, 2@3, 2@4; Total Hits: 31@2,: (3)2@3,: (4, 3)2@4: (2, 1)

defender 1cruiser
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (6)

[boldfresh]

Hey love… you dont get to reroll the battle.  :lol:  u r silly.

[Hank13]

@allweneedislove:

is there a problem with the ussr file?
i could not open it.
can you please upload it again, or is there a problem on my end?

I can’t open it either…

[boldfresh]

Geez guys the text is right there.  A couple ncm!  Just do it yourselves and proceed with japan  :-)

[rgp44]

@allweneedislove:

attacker 1sub, 2tacs, 2 bombers
Rolls: 1@2, 2@3, 2@4; Total Hits: 31@2,: (3)2@3,: (4, 3)2@4: (2, 1)

defender 1cruiser
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (6)

not that it matters but I wasn’t rolling the sub if you were going to re-do the whole battle

[allweneedislove]

rgp, i am just looking to do what i think is the fair way to correct the mistake. please let me know if the following does not make sense and if there is a more fair way please let me know.

i had done the sz113 battle and assumed that you would want to save your sub so i submerged it.(i was wrong)

i posted in our thread if you wanted the sub to fight to roll the battle on the forum.

you wanted the sub to fight, which is a decision that needs to be made before any dice are rolled. subs have the option to submerge BEFORE any dice are rolled.

so we went back to the point were i made the mistake(assuming you would submerge) and corrected it by rerolling the battle on the forum. i assume we would keep the forum rolls as that is what you had asked for.

i am the one that made the mistake assuming you would submerge, so ultimately whatever you and jeffm decide is what we will do, but i would like you to do what is fair and logical. i believe that submerging is a decision that must be made without the knowledge of what dice came afterwards.

[rgp44]

Again, what you said was “roll the sub if you wanted it to fight” which I did.  You did not say “if you want to roll the sub we can re-roll the combat”, had you said that I would not have rolled the sub.  So if you want to be fair, since you have edited your offer I will edit my choice and not have the sub roll.  So, you are welcome to place it back in the sea zone.

While I understand you making an argument on principle, given the state of this game, it hardly seems worth a fight.

[boldfresh]

rgp can speak for himself of course ~ but you made the initial mistake, allweneed, and generally when you make a decision for an opponent and roll dice, you must shoulder the burden of accepting whatever the defender chooses, therefore you do not get to reroll dice.  dice as rolled should always stand unless there was something illegal done.  you hit the cruiser, and the cruiser hit you back.  you made it sound like if he would have put his sub in the battle you would allow him to roll for it (a gentlemanly move, or so i thought).  in reality, it was a no brainer to have the sub in the battle - and since you are normally a reasonable person and a good sport, i find it hard to believe you would even consider it reasonable to reroll the entire battle given the circumstances.

[allweneedislove]

sorry if it seems like i was looking for a fight or an argument. i was/am not.

i was just trying to clear up a battle, and we have different opinions on what is the best way to do it. i do see how “roll the sub if you wanted it to fight” sounds like that would be the ONLY part of the battle that would be redone(but that does not make sense to me)

i dont agree with it, but it was MY mistake, so i will agree to your resolution.

hank, no need to make edits to sz113, so you can do japan’s turn when you are ready

[boldfresh]

the funny thing is, the sub didn’t even hit!  i could see if the sub hit, you having more desire to reroll the battle since you would have lost an aircraft, but STILL, given the circumstances, that would have been your tough luck since you opened yourself up to the possibility.  the allies are in a tough position here allweneed - they need to take some chances - it’s not fair for you to try to take those opportunities away from them by making assumptions, and then on top of it, try to take away the hit they DID get.  geez, you are RUTHLESS MAN!!!  :-o