Russian troops in the middle east/africa

[Cow]

what I do is fly a bunch of RAF and usa bombers into russia to cover him till he collects the africa NO.  Good stuff. :)

[gliven]

Russia Invaded Iran with Britain during the real war so i can understand why they would get a NO for taking Iraq. i don’t know about Ethiopia or Libya though but hey its a game. Plus i was also thinking that if there were Russian troops in the mid east and Egypt. Italy would have an even tougher time, thus securing a victory city that the axis need. They would need German assistance in taking Egypt so that drains money from the eastern front. even if Russia gets totally taken over. I don’t think Germany could win against America and a strong Britain with all its forces in Russia. How much will you have left defending France or southern Italy, if Italy couldn’t make more than 15 a round?

[Spendo02]

@Alsch91:

Not quite.

Iraq - 5 IPCs
Persia - 2 IPCs
Ethiopia - 4 IPCs
Somaliland - 3 IPCs
Libya - 4 IPCs
Tobruk - 3 IPCs

That adds up fast and is more than worth the units you send to get it.� It’s also damn near impossible to take back, unlike Scandinavia.

Also, if you send a bunch of guys up to Karelia, Germany will either take a step back to Norway and kill anything you put in Finland, or stack Finland with a bunch of planes.� Either way, with good German play, you won’t be destroying all thsoe infantry.� And who knows how much Germany would have transported into Scandinavia in the turns before this move.

How soon are you expecting to get those last 4 in your list?  Surely you don’t expect to get them before Germany arrives at Moscow?

I can see R3 collecting up to 7 IPC and I will give you that those territories are hard to claim for the Axis until Moscow falls.

With a G2 DOW I’d expect to see Germany on my doorstep to make its move on G6 (G2 EPoland, G3 Baltic, G4 Belarus, G5 Smolensk, G6 Moscow - with single units along the way taking connecting territories).

Assuming the Italians are removed from Africa I believe the earliest you can get into Eth/Tob is R5 meaning R6 you can spend it before Germany attacks Moscow, but the funny thing with it is that by the time that happens, you probably only have 2 IC’s to place units at for a total of 13 units.

Now granted you might be able to trade in 2-3 extra tanks instead of Inf on Moscow, but didn’t you just end up replacing the ones you sent into the desert by doing that?  Particularly if you sent 2 Arm, 2 Mech 2 Inf to replace from your starting units.

Now if Germany fails in Moscow… thats a different story as those IPC become very valuable - but if you turn Germany at Moscow you’ve basically won Europe anyways.  The extra IPC just speeds up the game at this point.

Now if Germany takes a step back to Norway, that is all fine by me.  I’ll happily trade my Inf to prevent 6-9 Fodder from arriving at Moscow the same time the Armor/Mech does, especially if its basically even odds.  That means I’m digging into the Mech fodder earlier when Moscow is attacked.

As for the Aircraft issue, who’s to say Russia needs to move its whole stack into Finland if Germany backs off?  A single Inf moving in nets Moscow 5 IPC to collect.  Even if the Inf is lost on the following turn, Russia is +2 for the trade not counting the fact the stack of German Inf is not stepping into my territories and won’t be able to arrive in Moscow the same time the big stack does.  Granted Germany can still leave 1 Inf behind, but mission accomplished, all those units are not arriving in time:

Look at it this way:  Germany steps back into Norway on G2 puts a successful march timeline of those Inf as following:

G3 Finland, G4 Karelia, G5 Leningrad, G6 Archangel, G7 Smolensk, G8 Moscow

With the bulk of the German army arriving at Moscow on G6, I’ve bought myself either less Inf attacking Moscow or more time for the Allies to harass Germany in France if Germany waits for them to catch up.

In the end, yes there is more money to be made in Africa for Russia.  But timing wise, the benefit seems a break-even for Russia to do so.

[Cow]

allies usually get stuff into russia by then… the whole africa russia strat requires lots of uk air and usa bombers to fly in.

[Alsch91]

Yeah Spendo, you’re making an assumption I find a bit strange-
Germany won’t be taking Moscow on G6, as long as Russia and the Allies know what they’re doing.  If that were consistently possible, the game would be broken.

[Cow]

Actually G6 takedown of russia is consistently possible, that is if you industrial bomb with 6 japan bombers. on that sucker.

[Alsch91]

Well alright, yeah, if you want to game it that badly.  :lol:

Then again there’s a good chance you’ll have 80% of America’s income coming through the Atlantic in  that case.

[Guest]

Just wondering, when does japan start this SBR campaign on Moscow?  Where do these bombers take off from and where do they land?  and when do you build them?

[Alsch91]

You can probably start J3 if you build an airbase in Chahar on J2, assuming Germany will have one of Belarus/Western Ukraine on G3 to land in.
Build bombers any time after J1, since that initial naval buy is pretty important in the Pacific.  I guess ultimately it’s optional.

[Guest]

So provided Germany attacks Russia G2, Japan could send 2 bombers without fighter escorts to Moscow J3.

[Spendo02]

@Alsch91:

Yeah Spendo, you’re making an assumption I find a bit strange-
Germany won’t be taking Moscow on G6, as long as Russia and the Allies know what they’re doing.  If that were consistently possible, the game would be broken.

Explain how the Allies stop a G6 attack on Moscow.  I’m not being a jerk, I’m curious what the Allies do from your experience or strategies.

[Alsch91]

Well I’ve found that it’s very difficult to actually get enough material to Moscow in time for that.  Not impossible, but you won’t be able to buy units for any other purpose.

Which means a dead Italy, and as many allied fighters coming through Nenetsia and Persia as possible.  UK won’t have anything to buy for other than those fighters.  Grabbing Central Persia on UK 1 and building a factory there lets you get a bunch into Moscow.

UK reactions to an early German attack on Russia are very situational and hard to outline.  Grabbing Norway early is possible at times.  It’s no D-Day but when Germany’s hell bent on taking Moscow quick, every single western distraction counts.

[Guest]

@Spendo02:

Explain how the Allies stop a G6 attack on Moscow.

Threatening a counterattack (ie artillery in Bryansk) makes them stop for a turn to bring up reinforcements.