Uh, it shows $135 on Amazon… not bad for sealed out of print. But yeah, I would buy 1942 and print one of IL’s maps to play on. The 1942 map is too small.
Another look at the SAF IC
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do it and attack the german med fleet with 1 fig, 1 bmb.
Then 70*% of the cases at least the trn sinks and in 46% of cases both trn/bb are killed.
Harder for germany to put more people in africa, at the least he´s delayed for 1 turn.
If UK and US moves jointly to Algeria they can kill the bb and any ship germany buys as a replacement.
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This isn’t a thread about the validity of KJF. Needless to say, I’m currently running 67% wins 33% losses in KJF with two apparent wins on the horizon, barring abnormal dice.
Anyway, back to the TOPIC, I don’t really see S. Africa Complex being very useful in KJF. I see it very useful in KGF though. And I could see how it would help box in Germany in a KJF situation, I’ve just never actually needed it to beat Germany into a box with just England and Russia.
Germany is quite easily contained with a few artillery purchases by Russia and some fighters from England.
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Needless to say, I’m currently running 67% wins 33% losses in KJF with two apparent wins on the horizon, barring abnormal dice.
Win rate alone doesn’t validate the strategy. Your victory over me hasn’t even begun to dent my view on the strategy. I simply made a mistake in exposing the capital which could have easily been avoided, and you made a mistake in exposing Caucasus, but the difference is that if we both avoided those errors, that Japan is extremely tough to crack and has lots of income while Russia was boxed in on both sides with low income. I just didn’t see the possibility of the KJF.
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@Cmdr:
Germany is quite easily contained with a few artillery purchases by Russia and some fighters from England.
Germany contained without US?
Play me Jennifer, plz :-P -
@Cmdr:
Germany is quite easily contained with a few artillery purchases by Russia and some fighters from England.
Germany contained without US?
Play me Jennifer, plz :-PIt’s not so hard to imagine. Germany earns 40 IPC. Russia + England earn 54 IPC. Japan earns 30 IPC. America earns 42 IPC. In both cases, the axis start out with a -15 IPC detriment. From there it’s just a matter of positioning yourself so Germany cannot break out anywhere.
Though I might consider a KJF with the IC in S. Africa. Never even tried that one!
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If I saw a SAF IC UK1 as the axis, I would pretty much feint africa and use the med fleet to push after Russia underneath. The axis should ignore this investment by focusing on Russia exclusively as fast as possible. I also would most certainly look to destroy any allied atlantic transports if I ever could.
I think the Germany trying to fight/take africa is like power on power and unless this was Russia where the axis can do a 2 on 1, that is a losing proposition.
So in short, Africa with a UK SAF IC, I’d fake interest, pull out after UK has invested some money and whallop Russia.
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The trick, of course, being that you have to be able to pull out.
If there’s significant threat to Africa, you may not have anything TOO pull out, ya know?
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@Cmdr:
The trick, of course, being that you have to be able to pull out.
If there’s significant threat to Africa, you may not have anything TOO pull out, ya know?
stack up on AES with 4-6 units and ftrs… then bail.
good thing wuold be to add another tpt sz14 on G2 if possible, really looking like you’re gonna put up a fight… move sz15 on G3, then empty G4 onward…
Hello Ukraine
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That could work, Axis, if you move that fleet to take India, Australia, New Zealand and Madagascar for Germany.
Darth likes to do that with Germany anyway, I love to get away with it as well!
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I played a multi player game not very long ago, (somewhat decent players) where G took a big part of Afr, Madagascar, Australia,
N.Z., and Hawaii !! Don’t think they made it to Alaska… :lol:
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Trying this out in an AARe game right now. I’ll report back my findings.
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@Cmdr:
Trying this out in an AARe game right now. I’ll report back my findings.
Can you link the thread, i’d like to take a look.
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@Emperor:
@Cmdr:
Trying this out in an AARe game right now. I’ll report back my findings.
Can you link the thread, i’d like to take a look.
AAMC Game 17841
Dunno if you can look at them if you are not participating in them though. :(
Anyway, this may work really well in AARe or AAR with National Advantages because it’s Colonial Garrison, not a purchased Industrial Complex.
And, just as a side note, I think National Advantages are designed to make KJF the easiest method. Almost all of the Allied National Advantages in LHTR 1.3 and 2.0 seem geared toward making Japan’s life a living hell.
Non-Aggression Treaty (duh)
Russian Railway (speedy assaults on Japanese forces in the east)
Colonial Garrison (Indian IC with immediate addition of infantry, 2 armor on UK 1)
Radar (duh, 2 or less in India, that isn’t falling soon!)
Fast Carriers (Think SZ 61 is safe? Think again!)
Marines (naval attacks at 2 or less with infantry only are cheap and effective)
Chinese Divisions (duh)
Mideast Oil (Move England’s fighters, bomber to India fast)
Enigma Decoded (Save a fighter and armor to defend in India)
Mobile Industry (Move an IC to Novo, now you are building right on top of Japan)
Russian Winter (Coupled with Non-Aggression can force Japan to not attack for a round)
Joint Strike (Good for Naval hitting of Japanese fleet by both American and British fleets)
Island Bases (Again, duh, the Pacific is where most of the islands are anyway!)Granted, a lot of those can be used effectively against Germany as well, but KGF is pretty standard online, and these just make KJF almost irresistible.
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Only problem is if Germany gets U-boats, you can forget about KJF.
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Yes, I find the Reinforced Carrier a boon to a KJF strategy.
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@Bean:
Only problem is if Germany gets U-boats, you can forget about KJF.
U-Boots are nice, but keep in mind that it takes 4 rounds to recoup the cost of U-Boot purchases and they have no defense against aircraft.
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I haven’t even considered a SAF IC since my days of FTF A&A. Long time ago…
I only ever do KGF, but I agree that SAFIC has a place there, too. Counterattacking on UK1 with 3inf 1bmb doesn’t really maximize those inf and likely leads to a dead bmb on G2. But if you rally the inf and get the Aus inf there, too, SAF can pump out straight tanks that will destroy any German forces. Surviving inf/arm can then go to Persia or beyond.
But I think where this strat really shines (in addition to giving the Allies a way to defend against Japan in the late game) is: The UK doesn’t have to land in Alg on UK1 to quickly control Africa. The UK2-4 counters will take care of that.
Instead, the UK can make a very important landing in Nor and/or gear up for a UK2 Arc (or maybe Kar) landing. I find that if the UK isn’t establishing a beachhead early on, Germany can just work the northern corridor (Nor/Kar/Arc) and eat up 4trns of UK troops without losing many troops in return.
It looks like SAFIC gives the Allies some quick but long-term strength where they are probably the weakest, and allows the UK to focus on Europe from UK1.
It’s wonderful to once again have a potentially viable (no, India doesn’t count) IC option.
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I can hardly remember that I have seen SA IC in revised. But surely sometime must have tried it.
I have no reason to believe that this is a good strat.
I know for sure that I would be surprised as axis if at the end of UK1, suddenly an IC popped up in SA :-P
I would not know how do handle it, or even if SA IC is something to handle, does this threaten me :? :?Who has tried this, and how did it work out?
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Working on trying it now, Lucifer. Hold on. We had a rule issue to deal with and just got it ironed out. So we’re just now finishing Round 2.
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I can hardly remember that I have seen SA IC in revised. But surely sometime must have tried it.
I have no reason to believe that this is a good strat.
I know for sure that I would be surprised as axis if at the end of UK1, suddenly an IC popped up in SA :-P
I would not know how do handle it, or even if SA IC is something to handle, does this threaten me :? :?Who has tried this, and how did it work out?
For the record, the SA IC strategy went 0-2 in the 2vs2 Tournament Semifinals. The Axis won both games.
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