G40 Ichabod (X) vs Sovietschat (A)

[Sovietishcat]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 bombers, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from India to Burma
            3 bombers moved from Dutch New Guinea to Burma
            5 bombers moved from Queensland to Burma
            1 submarine moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer moved from 45 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

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[Sovietishcat]

Casualties order for Burma?

[Ichabod]

Best defense OOL. Planes last.

[Sovietishcat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 bombers, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from India to Burma
            3 bombers moved from Dutch New Guinea to Burma
            5 bombers moved from Queensland to Burma
            1 submarine moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer moved from 45 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter
                Germans defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Germans lost in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
            Battle in Burma
                Americans attack with 9 bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers
                    Americans roll dice for 9 bombers in Burma, round 2 :  4/9 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 2 :  7/15 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Japanese, 7 bombers owned by the Americans and 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                    Americans roll dice for 2 bombers in Burma, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 3 :  7/11 hits
                    2 bombers owned by the Americans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                Japanese win with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -90
                Casualties for Americans: 9 bombers
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 42 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Japanese with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 3 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 44 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            3 fighters moved from 44 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 30 Sea Zone to Johnston Island
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 30 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western United States to Johnston Island
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
            1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 bombers placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 59 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 88 PUs

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[Sovietishcat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 bombers, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from India to Burma
            3 bombers moved from Dutch New Guinea to Burma
            5 bombers moved from Queensland to Burma
            1 submarine moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer moved from 45 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter
                Germans defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Germans lost in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
            Battle in Burma
                Americans attack with 9 bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers
                    Americans roll dice for 9 bombers in Burma, round 2 :  4/9 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 2 :  7/15 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Japanese, 7 bombers owned by the Americans and 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                    Americans roll dice for 2 bombers in Burma, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 3 :  7/11 hits
                    2 bombers owned by the Americans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                Japanese win with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -90
                Casualties for Americans: 9 bombers
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 42 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Japanese with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 3 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 44 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            3 fighters moved from 44 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 30 Sea Zone to Johnston Island
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 30 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western United States to Johnston Island
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
            1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 bombers placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 59 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 88 PUs

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed

Combat Move - Chinese

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 2 PUs

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 3 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            4 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
                  British take Ethiopia from Italians
            2 fighters moved from Persia to Kazakhstan

Combat - British
            Battle in Kazakhstan
                British attack with 2 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in Kazakhstan, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Kazakhstan, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Kazakhstan
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for British: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
            Battle in Burma
                British attack with 4 artilleries and 11 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers
                    British roll dice for 4 artilleries and 11 infantry in Burma, round 2 :  2/15 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 2 :  7/10 hits
                    2 artilleries owned by the Japanese and 7 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma
                    British roll dice for 4 artilleries and 4 infantry in Burma, round 3 :  0/8 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 3 :  4/8 hits
                    4 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma
                    British roll dice for 4 artilleries in Burma, round 4 :  0/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 4 :  4/8 hits
                    4 artilleries owned by the British lost in Burma
                Japanese win with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -41
                Casualties for British: 4 artilleries and 11 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 artilleries

Non Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Eastern Persia
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt

Place Units - British
            3 armour placed in Persia
            1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 artillery placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs; end with 10 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery

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[Sovietishcat]

Hey David,

The allies surrender, except USA that is making good $$, the rest is all crumbling… I didn’t play well at the beginning, with UK pac, I thought you would try something with Japan and I didn’t prepare well!

The key battle, got diced in Burma real good !

Well done my friend! Looking forward for the rematch :-D

Cheers,

Dominic.

[Ichabod]

Here’s my feedback…maybe a little too long winded.

First of all: Why don’t you want to follow up the attack with the UK at Burma for clean up? UK Pacific is going to collect Borneo money and there are no Japanese transports nearby.

4/9 hits 1st roll isn’t very good (should have been 1-2 more hits. I wonder how much that would have changed the outcome of the game). My roll of 7/15 may have been a little above or right at fair dice due to the composition. I think that your 9 bomber attack was like a Hail Mary and wasn’t necessarily required. Did you consider flying your US carrier based planes (SZ 45) to Calcutta? I thought you were going to do that. That then puts them in range for other options like going to middle east / Cairo or remaining in place. You could then buy more fighters to refill your carriers since the Japanese fleet was out of position back at SZ 6. I was forced to consolidate up north or die; but mainly my intent next round was to force the Russian Siberians to retreat or die in place.

The UK plane attack against my fleet in SZ37 was a good opportunity but too risky IMHO. I think the UK Pacific needs 2 planes the entire game in order to fight back for key territories like Burma without having to use significantly more ground. I would never have done that attack. But I will suicide a US fleet (around 20-35% chances of win) when ANZAC has the chance to clean up. Those UK planes were bound to die in that sea battle practically no matter what.

In my opinion the game changer battle(s) of the game was taking out the UK fighters in Cairo. Both Italy and the UK got pretty good dice (Italy’s was better than it should have been which made a huge difference for Germany to clean up). The UK in turn also didn’t roll very well against Germany. The UK should have gotten 2 more hits which would have killed a fighter and prevented Germany from getting another 7 IPCs. (I’m not sure if that would have made a difference for Moscow or not).

Tobruk vs Taranto:  I’d rather the allies do Tobruk over Taranto any game. In fact I won’t even land a fighter in Tobruk to try to persuade the UK into not doing it. It’s easier for Italy to get the 5 IPC objective for no enemy surface warships if the US is going KJF. I found that there was no need for a carrier. I almost bought one and maybe would have this turn, but every other turn I always saw no need. The Italian battleship w/ 2 transports gives way more options which slows down the extremely critical UK role of sending fighters to Moscow when the US goes for KJF. The Tobruk stack can only go 2 ways and once it’d dead, that’s it. Italy could get Cairo if Germany suicides it’s air force, but then Moscow might be safe as a result. I think it’s difficult for the UK to get to stabilize the middle east/Cairo in any situation, but LESS so when it’s the result of the Italian Tobruk forces. In this game, the Axis would have gotten Cairo pretty quick following Moscow/Stalingrad capture.

If you had done a Burma stack on UK1 (like you used to), I would have suicided my planes and went as hard as possible for India. I promise you I won’t pass up that opportunity because I know you’re coming for Japan’s throat. India / w. India / Burma +5 IPC bonus is worth 11 IPCs to Japan and it knocks out an allied capital. It also has a naval base which gives other options.

[Sovietishcat]

I did the follow up attack with UK pacific, got crushed, you can easily take India now, That’s why I surrender!

I knew you were going to sacrifice all your planes for Burma, so that’s why I tried to change my strat, but I think it’s better that you sacrifice some of your planes to really give me a chance to succeed in Pacific in KJF. Even if you took India, I would be able to bring pressure with USA or even take it back with UK, to force Japan to choose.

I tried something different there and it didn’t work + you are right, Tobruk is a bad idea, the reason why I did it, is because you bought 2 bombers and was worried you might do a full Egypt first!

[Ichabod]

Sorry, I missed the UK dice results for the following UK to Burma attack. Yeah, the UK definitely got diced awful bad. I understand you calling the game after those results.

Sometimes the Burma strafe could be super deadly for Japan; good point there. It could also help China become a local power; Japan’s air can’t hit everything.

I might still buy 2 bombers again G1. They’re very useful in the beginning for several different directions. I once had a successful Sea Lion game with them against akaroadman (triplea live game)…partly because I had a lucky bombing raid in which 0/4 bombers were shot down and the factory was totaled.

[Sovietishcat]

I was skeptical at first with 2 bombers+ 1 sub at G1, but now you have so many options with Ger and control the game early on! You can attack any witnesses the allies left and UK cannot defend everything!