Good analysis. So as UK which plan would you go for? Attack with planes only, or bring the fleet in?
Probably planes only if you bought them extra fighters.
Is this assuming that the German Med. fleet will be blocked from joining the battle by the Russian sub?
Yes, forgot to mention this.
Given this, then is there any reason to not go for the channel dash as Germany if you are not going to be adding to the Baltic fleet? Unless you get a carrier up there on G1, the UK player choosing option 2 would obviously attack the Baltic fleet. So it seems to me that you either buy something to add to the Baltic fleet or you might as well channel dash and force an allied decision rather than just sit in the Baltic and get destroyed. Does that make sense?
Yes, it does make sense. I bet there are a number of players on these boards who would swear by the channel dash. Additionally, if you are forcing UK to attack you in sz7 on UK1 then the bomber cannot be used to re-take Egypt. As germany I would probably forgo the Gibraltar move on G1 (I can always do it on G2 if the merge is on) to take (and hold) Egypt if possible and put more pressure on UK to make choices early.
In summary, I think you’ll find a lot of players on these boards who would swear by the channel dash if they are not adding to their Baltic fleet on G1.
That makes sense to me. If you’re not adding to the Baltic fleet it makes no sense at all to leave that fleet in the baltic to die.
1 Russian Submarine cannot block a fleet unification. Germany can sink the sub with aircraft and unify in NCM.
However, if you put 2 British Transports, 2 American Transport, 1 Russian Submarine, 1 American Destroyer and 1 British Battleship in SZ 12 you HAVE ended the unification issue.
That raises a question. Can ships pass through a SZ where combat has just taken place? Say kill the blocking ship with AF then move the fleet across.
yes (same with land units)
Yes. But I think the russian sub issue was addressing the question of why the counterattack to sz7 was only with air, not with the BB/trn from WMD sz. The russian sub can prevent the med fleet from engaging in combat in sz7 on G2.
Still, 6-8 figs + bmb still kills UK bb,2 trn and possibly a Dst or AC.
Nix, don’t forget the 2 submarines, transport and destroyer from SZ 5 in your equation.
2 Submarines, Transport, Destroyer, Bomber, 5 Fighters (*I’ll assume a fighter was lost in Ukraine) and maybe a German Carrier (since I’d build one if I wanted fleet unification).
vs
2 Transports, Aircraft Carrier, 2 Fighters, Battleship, Destroyer
Overall %*: A. survives: 93% D. survives: 6.6% No one survives: 0.4%
That is worth it to me! Even if the surface fleet minus the Carrier was sunk. I’d be able to link a transport and Battleship with a Carrier and 2 Fighters. That’s a good seed for any fleet, with no British airforce or Navy present and a scant 1 warship of America in the water!
Nix, don’t forget the 2 submarines, transport and destroyer from SZ 5 in your equation.
This thread is about a UK counter to a G1 channel dash. There is no baltic fleet to counterattack sz7 with on G2 because you would be countering an attack made on UK1 on the baltic fleet in sz7.
If you do not take out Gibraltar, then the UK counter (with the SZ8 SUB in SZ7) is to attack the MED fleet, not the fleet in SZ7.
Use the SZ15 DST, 2 FIGs, 1 BOM against 1 BB, 1 TRN.
UK wins this fight w the loss of only 1 unit most of the time.
Then consolidate the US/USSR/UK naval units in SZ8
4 TRN, 1 SUB, 1 DST, 1 BB + build units from UK1 (I’d do an AC and land the EUS FIG on it, plus a TRN)
Total Allied Force: 5 TRN, 1 SUB, 1 DST, 1 AC, 1 FIG, 1 BB
and invite the Germans to counter
5 FIG (1 lost in Ukraine on R1, newly built G1 FIGs cannot reach SZ8)
1 BOM
3 SUB, 1 TRN, 1 DST
Germany loses almost their entire AF, does lose their entire Navy.
Now UK builds their fleet in UK2, USA sails the fleet units they built in US1 and the SZ20 DST into position, and Germany is down to a land power, with no navy left, and only 2 air units. Meanwhile, Africa stays British due to lack of Luftwaffe support and the India counter attack, and Russia is gaining lots of gorund with no air threat for Germany to use for territory trades (meaning Germany is trading INF and ARM for Russian INF while they lose ground in central Europe.
Switch, if you were referring to this:
As germany I would probably forgo the Gibraltar move on G1 (I can always do it on G2 if the merge is on) to take (and hold) Egypt if possible and put more pressure on UK to make choices early.
Then understand that I am not suggesting moving the fleet to WMD without taking Gibraltar. I’m suggesting moving the med fleet to EMD on G1 (to help with Egypt). Then if the baltic fleet survives in sz7 you can consider moving the med fleet back to WMD on G2 and consolidating with the baltic fleet there. If the baltic fleet survives.
Ah OK.
So on G1 I buy 2 figs, 2 arm, 4 inf. (this was just my thought, I might switch to a strait inf. and art. buy)
So you DO have a bid, right?
Sounds like it:
Take egypt with bid units and a bomber.
Lol @ my illiteracy.
But if there are bid UNITS, that’s at least 8 IPC for Germany. (2 IPC in the bank for a 42 IPC G1 buy, and 6 IPC for two infantry in Libya).
If I had 8 IPC, a Baltic transport for G1 invasion of London looks pretty sweet to me. ASSUMING he’s playing OOB/FAQ.
True. Although when he said “bid units” he might have meant “bid unit plus Libya units” as I assume he would use existing Libya units in his attempt to take Egypt. Not literally what he said but still possible.
Why you still play OOB, G?
I think the German fleet is a lost cause.
My plans for the bid was to use a tank and inf in Africa plus the units that are there to take Egypt. An extra transport would be great in the baltic but then you probably can’t take Egypt without committing your battleship.
I’d still suggest committing your battleship to Egypt G1 then if you still want to try the merge on G2 you can then take Gibraltar and merge the remnants of the baltic fleet in sz13 with BB/trn. Do you gain a lot by taking Gibraltar G1 on a channel dash? I don’t really see it.
If you don;t take Gibraltar on the Channel Dash, and if you move the Med fleet west, the med fleet dies. That is really the only reason to take Gibraltar in Revised (though a Gibraltar Tank Factory was a fun Classic strat…)
