Simple 1939 setup variant for Global 1940?

[Charles de Gaulle]

Yesterday my team (who actually contributed as much to the Europe 1939 as I did) and I played part of a game of Europe 1939. Here’s how it went…
Round 1:
Germany: bought land units.  Took Poland, Denmark, Norway, Holland/Belgium, and moved into pro-Axis Hungary/Slovakia.  Did not attack any British fleet.  Moved whole navy to SZ 112.  Moved barely enough to Western Germany to take France next round (if the Allies put everything there, they may not have gotten Paris).
Soviet Union: built fighter and land units. Took Vyborg, Baltic States, and Bessarabia.  I (Russia) made the misstake of not taking Eastern Poland; when the Germans moved in and had great positioning to attack me, I realized that I should have done the historical thing and taken Eastern Poland.
United States: built navy. 
Italy: built figter.  Consolidated in Ethiopia and Tobruk and transported troops to Tobruk and Albania. Put whole fleet except a transport in 97 and army in Northern Italy.
United Kingdom: built home defense.  No attacks.  Made big fleets in 91 and 98.  Surrounded East Africa and consolidated Egypt. 
France: built fighter and land units.  Combined with British fleets in 91 and 98.  Evacuated air units.  Tried to make a stand In Paris.
Round 2:
Germany: built air and sea to threaten Sea Lion.  Took Paris with all air force yet only lost one plane to AA guns.  Took Eastern Poland.  Moved into Finland and Romania.
Soviet Union: built land units.  Tried to form new counter-attack line since I couldn’t use Western Ukraine and Belarus with my misstake in Poland. 
United States: more navy… good thing we let him play France. 4 turns is a long wait. Btw this was a 5 player game.
Italy: Attacked Southern France, Yugoslavia, and Greece. Blitzed Kenya and took Somaliland and tried to hold East Africa. Naval stand off.
United Kingdom: more home defense.  Took back Kenya, Somaliland, and Alexandria for the NO.  Took Persia. Combined fleets in 91 and 98 into a mega fleet in 92. Sent some of its fleet to different places.
France: Reinforced Egypt and fleet in 92.  Threatened Libya.

We will play more as the week goes on…

[suprise attack]

Looks fun, keep up the testing. I’m always looking for new variants to play to change the look a little. Global 40 every weekend is fun but its great to set up a 41 or 42 and Empiremans 39 so a slightly different 39 seems awesome
Tanks
Surprise Attack

[Charles de Gaulle]

I am not going to change anything unless others inform me of balance issues because my team says it is fair as it is now.  Check for Global 1939 in house rules as well.

[suprise attack]

Tanks again
I’ll definitely set it up and play a few games, not tonight because we’re going with the G 40 It’s been a couple of months since we’ve played it, but it’s on the list.
I also want to check out Ozteas 42, we’ve been doing his 41 off and on again for a few years, and its a good change of pace, many alternatives makes it even better
S.A.

[Charles de Gaulle]

Oztea’s 1941 is th best.  His 1942 and Larry’s 1942 aren’t as good.  My setups are slightly unbalanced on the theater scale.

[suprise attack]

When you combine the boards what does Russia look look in the east?

[Charles de Gaulle]

See the Global setup.  It is basically infantry spread on all those Eastern territories with a few AA guns, artillery and, mech.

[seancb]

DeGaulle,
I’ll try to take some pics and let you know how it turns out next week.
Sean…

[suprise attack]

Thanks, we’ll give it a go next weekend, I think they want to do a G40 this weekend
S.A.

[suprise attack]

It was a tough game for the Axis when we combined the boards, it was once the U.S. came in it was game over. I also forgot to deploy the German Armor, if I had them I would have tried for France on G1
It was fun I think it might need some tweaks when you combine the 2 boards
We will try another soon

[Charles de Gaulle]

Yes yours is the third complaint about U.S……I think I will lower their forces.

[seancb]

DeGaulle,
We made some adjustments to your setups based on our playtesting.
France went down on G2 barely. UK Europe got a real blitz from G3. China was tough. USSR held for awhile but eventually got diced on a counterattack and German armor pierced the southern flank. Germany waited a few turns shoring up the Atlantic wall and shipping some arty/mech to the east. Once Japan poked through China into USSR it was all over.
Fun game overall and we will try some new strategies in 2 weeks.

Player Turn Order Starting Income
Germany 14
Soviet Union 26
United States 20
Italy 10
UK
Europe 27
Pacific 17
Japan 24
China 14
ANZAC 10
France 17

Anything not specified here is the same as 1940.

Political situation changes:

Russia: may declare war turn 5 if not yet attacked by the Axis.

Soviet Aggression: On turn 1 only, Russia is given the option of attacking any of these territories: Vyborg, Baltic States, Eastern Poland, and Bessarabia. Germany may not take any of these as well as Finland on turn 1 without first declaring war on Russia. If Russia does not take some/all of these, Germany may take them and Russia may not move into them later, unless it is at war with Germany. Remember that Russia won’t be an Allied power at this point. Vyborg and Eastern Poland would both fight Russia, but Vyborg and Finland will join Germany (they are Finnish) and Eastern Poland will fight Germany or Russia.

Pacific Dutch Territories may be occupied and subsequent income collected by United Kingdom and ANZAC only after the fall of Holland/Belgium to the Axis powers.

Iceland and Belgian Congo don’t start as British anymore, they are needed for UK’s Maintenance of the the Empire national objective.

Italy begins the game neutral. While neutral, Italy follows the normal restrictions of a neutral power such as the United States in addition to the following rules:
1: Italy may not move into any territory without an Italian control marker.
2: No powers may move or load on to Italian territories or transports.
3: Italy may only move through straights/canals if the controlling power will allow Italy.
4: Italy may declare on any Allied powers on turn 2 or later. The Allies (aside from the U.S. and Soviets) may declare war on Italy on turn 3 or later. Like Japan, Italy may load a transport which is in a hostile sea zone on the turn Italy declares war. If it is the Allies that declare war, they also may do this.

United States may declare war on the Axis on collect income phase of turn 4. The special rule for the U.S. that states that when they declare war their minor ICs become majors no longer applies.  The U.S. gets a major IC in Eastern U.S. and minors on Western and Central US which they will have to upgrade on their Purchase Units phase.

When collecting national objectives, treat the territories as the board represents them (e.g. the original controller as printed on the board).

Pro-Allies:
Poland: 6 infantry
Denmark: 1 infantry
Norway: 2 infantry
Holland/Belgium: 3 infantry
Iceland: nothing
Greenland: nothing
Belgian Congo: 1 infantry

Pro-Axis:
Slovakia/Hungary: 6 infantry
Romania: 6 infantry
Bessarabia: nothing
Baltic States: nothing
Vyborg: 2 infantry
Northwest Persia: nothing
Persia: 2 infantry
Eastern Persia: nothing
Finland after turn 1 is available to Germany

Non Allied neutral fights all invaders Axis or Allied:
Eastern Poland: 2 infantry

Germany:
Germany: 15 infantry, 4 artillery, 4 mechanized infantry, 4 AA guns, 4 tanks, major industrial complex

Greater Southern Germany: 6 infantry, 2 artillery, 4 tanks, 1 AA gun

Western Germany: 2 infantry, 1 AA gun, 4 fighters, 4 tactical bombers, 1 strategic bomber, air base, naval base, major industrial complex

Sea Zone 112: 2 submarines, 1 cruiser

Sea Zone 113: 2 submarines, 1 transport, 1 cruiser

Sea Zone 114: 1 submarine, 1 transport, 1 battleship

Soviet Union:
Russia: 1 infantry, 1 mechanized infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 tank, 1 fighter, air base, minor industrial complex
Tambov: 1 infantry
Samara: 1 infantry
Novosibirsk: 1 infantry
Kazakhstan: 1 infantry
Turkmenistan: 1 infantry
Caucasus: 1 infantry, 1 artillery
Volgograd: 1 mechanized infantry, 1 AA gun, minor industrial complex
Rostov: 1 infantry
Ukraine: 2 infantry, minor industrial complex
Western Ukraine: 2 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 tactical bomber
Bryansk: 1 infantry
Smolensk: 1 infantry
Belarus: 1 infantry, 1 mechanized infantry, 1 tank
Archangel: 1 infantry
Novgorod: 6 infantry, 1 artillery, 2 AA guns, 1 tank, 1 fighter, air base, naval base, minor industrial complex
Karelia: 2 infantry
Timguska: 1 infantry
Yenisey: 1 infantry
Yakut: 2 infantry
Buryatia: 4 infantry
Sakha: 2 infantry, 1 AA gun
Amur: 6 infantry, 1 AA gun
Siberia: 2 infantry
Soviet Far East: 1 infantry

Sea Zone 115: 1 submarine, 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 127: 1 submarine

United States:
Eastern United States: 1 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 AA gun, 1 fighter, air base, naval base, major industrial complex
Central United States: 1 infantry, 1 strategic bomber, minor industrial complex
Western United States: 1 infantry, 1 fighter, air base, naval base, minor IC
Hawaii: 1 infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 fighter, air base, naval base
Midway: 1 infantry, air base
Wake: 1 infantry, air base
Guam: air base
Philippines: 2 infantry, 1 fighter, air base, naval base
Sea Zone 10: 1 transport, 1 destroyer, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship, 1 carrier
Sea Zone 26: 1 submarine, 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 35: 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 101: 1 transport

Italy:
Southern Italy: 4 infantry, 1 artillery, 2 AA guns, 1 fighter, air base, naval base, major industrial complex
Northern Italy: 4 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 tank, 1 AA gun, 1 fighter, 1 tactical bomber
Sardinia: 1 infantry
Sicily: 1 infantry
Albania: 2 infantry, 1 tank
Libya: 2 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 tank, 1 AA gun
Tobruk: 1 infantry, 1 mechanized infantry
Ethiopia: 2 infantry, 1 artillery
Italian Somaliland: 1 infantry
Sea Zone 95: 1 submarine, 1 destroyer, 1 transport, 1 cruiser
Sea Zone 96: 1 destroyer, 1 transport
Sea Zone 97: 1 transport, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship

United Kingdom (Europe):
United Kingdom: 1 infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 artillery, 1 tank, 1 fighter, air base, naval base, major industrial complex
Scotland: 2 infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 fighter, air base
Quebec: 1 infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 mechanized infantry, minor industrial complex
Nova Scotia: naval base, air base
Ontario: 1 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 tank, minor industrial complex
Gibraltar: 1 infantry, 1 fighter, naval base
Malta: 1 infantry, 1 fighter
Alexandria: 2 infantry, 1 mechanized infantry, 1 tank
Egypt: 1 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 AA gun, naval base
Anglo-Egyptian Sudan: 1 infantry
British Somaliland: 1 infantry
Union of South Africa: 2 infantry, naval base, minor industrial complex
West India: 2 infantry
Sea Zone 106: 1 transport, 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 109: 1 transport, 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 110: 1 destroyer, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser
Sea Zone 111: 1 destroyer, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser
Sea Zone 91: 1 aircraft carrier (carrying 1 tactical bomber)
Sea Zone 98: 1 destroyer, 1 cruiser, 1 transport
Sea Zone 71: 1 destroyer

United Kingdom (Pacific):
India: 6 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 AA guns, 1 fighter, air base, naval base, major IC
Malaya: 3 infantry, naval base
Kwangtung: 2 infantry, naval base
Samoa: naval base
Sea Zone 39: 1 cruiser, 1 transport
Sea Zone 37: 1 destroyer, 1 battleship

France:
France: 6 infantry, 3 AA guns, 4 artillery, 2 tanks, 1 fighter, air base, minor industrial complex
Normandy/Bordeuaux: 1 infantry
Southern France: 1 infantry, 1 artillery, naval base, minor industrial complex
Tunisia: 1 infantry
Algeria: 1 infantry, 1 mechanized infantry, 1 artillery
Morocco: 1 infantry
French West Africa: 1 infantry
French Equatorial Africa: 1 infantry
Syria: 1 infantry
Sea Zone 105: 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 93: 1 cruiser, 1 transport
Sea Zone 94: 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 110: 1 cruiser
Sea Zone 82: 1 destroyer

China:
Suiyuan: 1 infantry
Chahar: 1 infantry
Anhwe: 1 infantry
Kiangsi: 2 infantry
Kwangsi: 2 infantry
Hunan: 1 infantry
Kweichow: 2 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 fighter
Hopei: 1 infantry
Shensi: 1 infantry
Szechwan: 2 infantry
Yunnan: 3 infantry, 1 artillery
Sikang: 1 infantry
Tsinshai: 1 infantry
Kansu: 1 infantry

Japan:
Japan: 8 infantry, 1 mech., 2 artillery, 2 AA guns, 1 tank, 2 fighters, 2 tactical bombers, 2 strategic bombers, air base, naval base, major IC
Korea: 3 infantry
Manchuria: 6 infantry, 2 mech., 1 artillery, 1 tank, 2 fighters, 2 tactical bombers
Jehol: 3 infantry, 2 artillery
Shantung: 2 infantry, 2 artillery
Kiangsu: 4 infantry, 1 artillery
Okinawa: 1 infantry, 1 fighter
Formosa: 1 infantry, 1 fighter
Hainan: 1 infantry
Palau: 1 infantry
Caroline Islands: 2 infantry, 1 fighter, 1 tactical bomber, air base, naval base
Marshall Islands: 1 infantry
Marianas: 1 infantry
Iwo Jima: 1 infantry
Siam 2 infantry
Sea Zone 6: 1 submarine, 2 transports, 1 destroyer, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship, 3 carriers with 3 fighters and 3 tactical bombers
Sea Zone 19: 1 transport, 1 destroyer, 1 cruiser
Sea Zone 20: 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 36: 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 34: 1 submarine
Sea Zone 33: 1 cruiser, 1 battleship
Sea Zone 32: 1 destroyer

ANZAC:
New South Wales: 1 infantry, 1 artillery, naval base, minor IC
Queensland: 1 infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, air base
Northern Territory: 1 infantry, 1 AA gun
Victoria: 1 infantry
New Zealand: 2 infantry, 1 fighter, naval base, minor IC
Malaya: 1 infantry
Trans-Jordan: 1 infantry
Egypt: 1 infantry

Sea Zone 63: 1 destroyer
Sea Zone 54: 1 cruiser
Sea Zone 62: 1 transport

[suprise attack]

We also gave Russia 35 dollars, 37- Baltic and Pol. I was thinking of keeping them at the 26 until Japan declares war on them and then they would collect for all their territories. We also thought about the Islands and Japan, the Allies. They cant claim the value of the Island unless they take it from an Axis (Japan) power, For the U.S. we thought of maybe ramping them up like the 1939 Global War. It was a long day for me and I didnt deploy the Germ. Armor, that might have made a little difference.
We’ll try it again, not this weekend I’m going to see Halestorm, but maybe next weekend.
Have you thought of changing the order of play by moving Italy between U.S. and U.K., just a thought
Tanks
S.A.

[Charles de Gaulle]

Your alternate version looks good Sean but possibly giving the Axis almost too much of an advantage.  It simply doesn’t have all my preferences so I will make an updated version of mine so players have two choices.

@suprise:

We also gave Russia 35 dollars, 37- Baltic and Pol. I was thinking of keeping them at the 26 until Japan declares war on them and then they would collect for all their territories. We also thought about the Islands and Japan, the Allies. They cant claim the value of the Island unless they take it from an Axis (Japan) power, For the U.S. we thought of maybe ramping them up like the 1939 Global War. It was a long day for me and I didnt deploy the Germ. Armor, that might have made a little difference.
We’ll try it again, not this weekend I’m going to see Halestorm, but maybe next weekend.
Have you thought of changing the order of play by moving Italy between U.S. and U.K., just a thought
Tanks
S.A.

Russia gets 35 in Global.
If you are going to weaken the Allies, I wouldn’t reccommend Russia.
U.S. will get reduced forces and will have to pay for those majors.
Italy is between U.S. and U.K.

[Charles de Gaulle]

The setups haven been updated.  Don’t forget to use the link on the original post for the Global setup.

Have fun!

de Gaulle

[suprise attack]

COOL AWESOME AND GREAT!!!
We’ll keep you posted
Kris

[seancb]

We found the standard USSR turn 1 was upgrading the moscow factory with one armor or 2 inf. Germany had a pretty specific playbook which included hammering france on turn 2. G1 was capturing Norway - Denmark (NO) , Holland, and Poland with NCM most vital for the final push on France. bombing of the UK AB and NB on turn 2 was also vital.

[seancb]

2nd play test conducted this weekend with our 39 setup published. Allies won. Japan did take India and Italy held Egypt for some time. Used the extra turn with USSR to position for the German onslaught. 2 final Axis surges in Eastern Europe were repelled… barely!  Japan finally got pushed out of India as did Italy. USA used some serious SBR action completely crippling Germany and before the surrender were about to finish off Japan industry as well. Super fun game.

As far as we could tell it was very balanced and no bid was awarded.

[Charles de Gaulle]

I noticed three typos :lol: France should have 19 not 17 IPCs in global.  ANZAC : Sea Zone 64 1 cruiser should be Sea Zone 62. UK : Sea Zone 15: 1 destroyer should be Sea Zone 51: 1 destroyer.  They are all fixed now.

Sean, how does Russia upgrade its minor factory just by using 2 infantry or a tank?!???
I tried your version and the Axis won pretty fast.

Sorry for taking so long to get back!

[seancb]

They upgrade the factory with their initial money and then buy either a tank or 2 infantry. sorry about the typo.
I could see Axis winning fast if you don’t position right.
I used a bomber strategy with USA. Did you do any SBR with USA on Germany?