Number 4 from the top is Soviet Marshal Aleksandr Vasilevsky.
Education Reform
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Well let’s remember the topic is on public universities “normal schools” as they were called. Not elementary, middle or secondary institutions. There’s a huge difference in what can and should be done.
However, we can easily cut funds to fund this program, if you live in a bass-ackwards state like Switch, that actually keeps tuition in their universities instead of plundering it for the state (and I’m calling him on it, I want souces and documentation to prove it, because no state leaves all the revenue a school makes in the school.)
- Cut socialist funding
- Cut communist funding
- Slash public servant pay by 50% or more
- Increase percentages of student loans for out of state students going to their schools
- Increase fees and tuition on out of state students.
Any of those would more then pay for the program. Hell, how do you fund elementary schools, middle schools and secondary schools? Fund post-secondary universities the same way.
How would you react to a proposed:
- Cut teacher and school administrator salaries by 50% and eliminate benefits.
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- Cut socialist funding
- Cut communist funding
- Slash public servant pay by 50% or more
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Please identify “socialist” and “communist” funding lines in a state government of your choice.
Please explain how cuting public servant pay by 50% will increase teacher retention when their pitiful salaries drop below minimum wage.
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Just FYI:
Education spending in Pennsylvania is BY LAW 50% of all state expenditures (they they have found ways to depress that number down to about 42% and still technically obey the law). At a local level it is an even higher percentage.So, in order to get the most bang for your buck when you cut spending, you would have to cut education. Start on the other stuff, and there goes your State Police, highways, fire departments, etc. Not saying PA is completely efficient (far from it), but in terms of state level spending, to support free post-secondary education in one of the largest states in the union would mean stripping every non-education/non-law enforcement program in the state.
I-80 sucks already. PLEASE do not take any more funding away from roads in Pennsylvania… You need PA’s roads to carry the coal for your power plants…
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- Cut socialist funding
- Cut communist funding
- Slash public servant pay by 50% or more
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Please identify “socialist” and “communist” funding lines in a state government of your choice.
Please explain how cuting public servant pay by 50% will increase teacher retention when their pitiful salaries drop below minimum wage.
Lol she isn’t talking about teachers, I’m sure.
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Well let’s remember the topic is on public universities “normal schools” as they were called. Not elementary, middle or secondary institutions. There’s a huge difference in what can and should be done.
However, we can easily cut funds to fund this program, if you live in a bass-ackwards state like Switch, that actually keeps tuition in their universities instead of plundering it for the state (and I’m calling him on it, I want souces and documentation to prove it, because no state leaves all the revenue a school makes in the school.)
- Cut socialist funding
- Cut communist funding
- Slash public servant pay by 50% or more
- Increase percentages of student loans for out of state students going to their schools
- Increase fees and tuition on out of state students.
Any of those would more then pay for the program. Hell, how do you fund elementary schools, middle schools and secondary schools? Fund post-secondary universities the same way.
How would you react to a proposed:
- Cut teacher and school administrator salaries by 50% and eliminate benefits.
You cannot cut nothing by 50%, half of nothing is still nothing. But I’d go for a slash of 50% of administrators. They hardly earn what they get. 1 or 2 meetings a month and some uninformed dictates hardly justifies earning over $200,000 annually. Actually, I’d like to see a cap of $50,000 per 10 schools administered for administrators. Teachers already only earn $25k annually, on average nationwide.
Now, how much does your govenor earn? I know Mayor Daley earns twice as much as the President of the United States of America and four times our Gov. Blagevich. Think maybe there’s some fat there we can trim so our kids can get an education?
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Put up or shut up Jen…
Your Teacher Salaries are CLOSE for new teachers. But they are HELL AND GONE from average teacher salaries.
And your typical adminsitrator does NOT make $200K. My father is an adminsitrator (business manager at a very wellthy district), and my step mother is a retired superintendent. Together they might have grossed $200K when they were both working… but that is after a lifetime of service, education, and experience.
As for the “few meetings” BS… ask to be involved in your District’s Budget Committee sometime… Hell budget season ALONE is worth the annual salary my father makes (and my step mother made before her retirement). I would not deal with the crap they do every spring for the money they earn.
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You ever notice that Switch seems to have relatives in every career in America and knows everything about everything? Ignoring the fact that the NEA reports that the average District Adminstrator earns in excess of $200,000. Maybe he just has the worst employees as relatives and that’s why they always seem to earn less, or get less then everyone else? Or maybe he just lives in a very backwards state? Though, honestly, if it was his state, I would recommend his family move elsewhere.
Of course, it could be bad karma for being a wiccan instead of a more pure religion like christianity or catholocism. :)
According to the NEA, on their own webpage, they show that the average teacher salary for the nation went up 0.2% for the year of 2005-2006. (Most recent year they have data for.) That same year inflation went up about 3-4% did it not?
The NEA also says the AVERAGE teacher salary in the United States of America is $24,232 annually or $11.65/hour. About $3,000 higher then starting salaries. Of course, you have to remove professors at the collegic level and only look at public school teachers in teh secondary and primary level, since those are the only ones we are actually talking about.
But go ahead, you’re the administrator. Just edit or delete this or make up numbers some more. Honestly. Sometimes you just have to realize that you don’t know everything, deary. And you don’t. As much as you want to always jump on the opposite of everything I say and hope that you’re right the majority of the time, it’s getting old. You don’t even get a 50% accuracy rating doing that. Actually, you get about the inverse of your AAR win/loss record doing that.
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BTW, you do have certain areas that make good money. DC pays over $60k for primary teachers. Bumblefrick nowhere (Tenn.) pays 13,500 per year.
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Skip the NEA, which has its own agenda.
Try the US Department of Labor. AVERAGE teacher salary in the US is around $50,000. Starting teacher salaray national average (as of 7 years ago) was 24,000. Why do I know that? Because North Carolina had a law mandating starting teacher salaries be raised to the national average by 2000, and that figure ended up being just over $24,000.
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And while you are slandering me, how about pointing out all of the “claims” I have made regarding the careers of my relatives.
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@ncscswitch:
And while you are slandering me, how about pointing out all of the “claims” I have made regarding the careers of my relatives.
Just about every thread seems to have you piping up that you or your relative did XYZ. It’s rather amazing how large your family is or how incapable they are of holding a career they are. Must be one or the other, because I seem to remember you saying they were doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians, teachers, administrators, truckers, vetinarians, oceanographers, climatologists, etc.
Whatever happens to fit the discussion.
As for the use of the word “slander” Prove it is slander. Innocent until proven guilty. You are accusing me, slanderously and libelously, of slandering you. Prove that I slandered you.
Otherwise, back down and realize you have a personal vendetta against me that you cannot get over that artifically colors all your thoughts and comments resulting in inadvertant (at least I hope it is inadvertant) and persistent slander and libulous statements about me, my character and those I chose to use as sources for support of my arguements.
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Please post a SINGLE post of mine in support of your allegation that I ahve ever claimed tha tmy family were ANY of the thigns you have listed…
Otherwise Jen, I am calling slander on you in this thread. You have 24 hours to search these forums for a single iota of proof of your claim.
Otherwise, I demand a formal apology for your slander.
And yes, I can prove slander, I have 11,000 plus posts to back up my statement that I never made any such claim.
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And I have 10000 plus posts to support mine.
You are accusing me of slander, it is your LEGAL responsibility to PROVE your case. It is not MY responsiblity to prove my innocence. Welcome to America my friend.
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Here is the link…
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php
No where do I say that my family consists of doctors, lawyers, vets, etc.
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Gee, way to link the main page. That does NOT support your accusation I engaged in felonious criminal activity against you.
If you want to accuse me of felonious criminal activity, as you are currently, I highly recommend you put up or shut up. Or you could apologize for slandering me and defaming my character with the purpose and intent to character assassinate me because you are inept at destroying my arguements.
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There once was a troll named Jen…
I would stand clear of this if I were you.
Dog piling won’t help either of them.
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I am done with you Jen.
You have violated board polices, not for the first time, and not without many warnings.
Your fate now lies in the hands of DJensen and Yanny. I wash my hands of you.
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There once was a poster named Jen…
Sides if you want to give me a mythical name, how about a Demoness or a Mermaid?
Anyway, I’m just defending myself from character assassination.
And hopefully Yanny and Djensen will realize I am perfectly within board policies to defend myself from said Character assassination. If not, well, I guess that’s a shame. I can always call my Internet Provider, ask for an IP reset, and make a new account. :)
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Why would an online debate EVER revert into a mudslinging match? My roommate, friends, girlfriend, etc., and I do not always agree. But when we DISagree, we don’t resort to insulting the other party. We manage to talk through the problem, but IF one does insult the other with some kind of personal attack, then the insult is made known, and the discussion proceeds in a more diplomatic fashion…
Not quite what I’m seeing here. Both of you have moved completely away from the topic because you’re obviously getting pissed off at each other. And I don’t care to hear any bullsht about “he/she started it first” because that doesn’t help any - in fact, it fckin makes me sick. SO I ask: What the Hell is wrong here?
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I have privately offered Switch an olive branch, I will make that offer public.
If NCSCSwitch apologizes for engaging in a campaign of character assassination against my character and promises to return only to debating the topics, I will do the same. Honestly, throwing his attacks back time and time again is as boring as trying to invade Japan with America when you have 4 transports and a Battleship and he has 100 infantry. Sure, you can eventually reduce him to a small stack you can defeat, but honestly, the effort is too boring to deal with.
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