Oil Rule's



  • @ Buran

    Thanks for the response! 3 IPCs is probably fine. I know the intent is to get more money flowing in the game (with a strategical layer) anyway.
    On the transports, it’s possible we’re misunderstanding eachother. A max of 12 IPCs each doesn’t strike me as too much. They cost 7 to build, and possibly more importantly, they take TIME to transport the oil. If I know anything from my games, it’s that time is the game’s most expensive resource!
    (I also don’t think the capacity is too little, for clarity. It seems like a good sweet spot to me.)

    Again, I find your idea very exciting. I will have to try it sometime.


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    Guys,

    @Buran:

    @SS:

    Tall Paul,

    So you can transport oil tokens with planes, mechs, and transports back to anyone of your factorys ?

    What is the value of the oil token in icp’s ?

    In these rules the oil barrels have there own transport.  Movement of 1 in the non-combat phase.  And can be moved on transports as well for movement from islands.  I’m looking at an air transport rule too.  But that is still in the thinking stage.

    Buran

    **––Buran, I really like YOUR oil rules as I have now studied them for awhile.
    ----IMHO as far as transportation purposes I would treat an OIL BARREL the same as an INFANTRY unit ,…thereby allowing TWO OIL BARRELS (max) on any Sea Transport. If this at first seems a lot, you must remember that any OIL BARREL that is “cashed in” takes the place of purchases from a Factory, as well as possible shipping space on Sea Transports (thus you’re already paying for the capabilty).
    IMHO the same should be true for any AIR TRANSPORT. The OIL BARREL Would simply take the place of an INFANTRY unit.
    ----SIMPLICITY is a wonderful thing! And logic usually wins out in the end. What are YOUR opinions in reference to an OIL BARREL = INFANTRY as far as transportation?

    Tall Paul**



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  • @Tall:

    Guys,

    @Buran:

    @SS:

    Tall Paul,

    So you can transport oil tokens with planes, mechs, and transports back to anyone of your factorys ?

    What is the value of the oil token in icp’s ?

    In these rules the oil barrels have there own transport.  Movement of 1 in the non-combat phase.  And can be moved on transports as well for movement from islands.  I’m looking at an air transport rule too.  But that is still in the thinking stage.

    Buran

    **––Buran, I really like YOUR oil rules as I have now studied them for awhile.
    ----IMHO as far as transportation purposes I would treat an OIL BARREL the same as an INFANTRY unit ,…thereby allowing TWO OIL BARRELS (max) on any Sea Transport. If this at first seems a lot, you must remember that any OIL BARREL that is “cashed in” takes the place of purchases from a Factory, as well as possible shipping space on Sea Transports (thus you’re already paying for the capabilty).
    IMHO the same should be true for any AIR TRANSPORT. The OIL BARREL Would simply take the place of an INFANTRY unit.
    ----SIMPLICITY is a wonderful thing! And logic usually wins out in the end. What are YOUR opinions in reference to an OIL BARREL = INFANTRY as far as transportation?

    Tall Paul**

    Tall Paul, I did think of the simplicity of making oil barrels equal to an infantry, but thought that the movement of more barrels was a bit more important, and as well it keeps the numbers of transports down.  In the play test that we did at the FMG con didn’t see much transporting of oil across the water.  But we were all getting used to the idea’s of oil as well.  I’m going to be doing some more work on these rules and my in the end switch to oil = infantry for the sea and air movement, but for now I like the 2 oil = 1 infantry sea movement.  This is just a matter of play testing and seeing which way works best.


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    Buran and others,

    @Buran:

    @Tall:

    Guys,

    @Buran:

    @SS:

    Tall Paul,

    So you can transport oil tokens with planes, mechs, and transports back to anyone of your factorys ?

    What is the value of the oil token in icp’s ?

    In these rules the oil barrels have there own transport.  Movement of 1 in the non-combat phase.  And can be moved on transports as well for movement from islands.  I’m looking at an air transport rule too.  But that is still in the thinking stage.

    Buran

    **––Buran, I really like YOUR oil rules as I have now studied them for awhile.
    ----IMHO as far as transportation purposes I would treat an OIL BARREL the same as an INFANTRY unit ,…thereby allowing TWO OIL BARRELS (max) on any Sea Transport. If this at first seems a lot, you must remember that any OIL BARREL that is “cashed in” takes the place of purchases from a Factory, as well as possible shipping space on Sea Transports (thus you’re already paying for the capabilty).
    IMHO the same should be true for any AIR TRANSPORT. The OIL BARREL Would simply take the place of an INFANTRY unit.
    ----SIMPLICITY is a wonderful thing! And logic usually wins out in the end. What are YOUR opinions in reference to an OIL BARREL = INFANTRY as far as transportation?

    Tall Paul**

    Tall Paul, I did think of the simplicity of making oil barrels equal to an infantry, but thought that the movement of more barrels was a bit more important, and as well it keeps the numbers of transports down.  In the play test that we did at the FMG con didn’t see much transporting of oil across the water.  But we were all getting used to the idea’s of oil as well.  I’m going to be doing some more work on these rules and my in the end switch to oil = infantry for the sea and air movement, but for now I like the 2 oil = 1 infantry sea movement.  This is just a matter of play testing and seeing which way works best.

    **––I REALLY like these Oil Rules,…but I can forsee that whoever plays the USA with 20+ Oil barrels in North & South America with 1/2 cost shipping can ship a LOT of Oil and a few Infantry to Anzac for example, and Anzac can buy a Minor Factory specifically to “cash in” the Oil money (from the USA) and they would then be SOLID, militarily speaking.
    ----The USA could also ship to UK-Africa across the lower stretch of French territories below the desert,… or down to South Africa.
    ----Think “outside the box” a little and I believe you will see where the USA can skew the economics in a BIG WAY!
    ----IMHO if the shipping rate for Oil was EQUAL TO 1 Infantry it would be harder for any country (like the USA) to Overwhelm the economic issues.
    ----I’m not meaning to complain at all,…but I believe when you “play test” this some more you’ll see how it can be manipulated, especially buy the USA player. I REALLY LIKE your Oil Rules. I will patiently wait to see if you’re play testing uncovers this possibility or if I’m incorrect. Again,…GOOD JOB on the Oil Rules thus far!

    Tall Paul**



  • Hey TP,

    When I was playing Russia during the play test we had, there was a lot of side strategies for sure, for example: the oil that was being produced in southern Russia gave me some extra cash to play with, but it was painfully obvious that protecting those supplies was priority number 1. Therefore, many of my military resources went towards the Ukraine, because the thought of Germany cashing in on their own barrels as well as mine seemed to spell certain doom for the Soviet Union. As for America, yes… Texas was producing a lot of barrels right next to their factories, so the extra cash for the US came easy, while on the other hand… Japan had to transport their barrels from the money Islands. That’s why I like Buran’s original transporting rules, because some nations live and die by transporting it and they can get conflicted between using their transports for military resources or oil barrels, so limiting the use of transports will only make the point about the American advantage stronger. To tell you the truth, many of us were just trying to grasp the shift in strategies rather than who was alloted more oil than others. Buran’s chart as to the oil enriched areas of the map seemed very well thought out, there was discussion later in the game as to the US going after the South American supplies if we wanted to implement our neutral block house rule… that conversation went in a lot of interesting directions, so there is something to be said about bringing those oil reserves into play. However, back to your concern about American oil surplus creating to much income, all I can say is that we had a very lose game and although we enjoyed the added dimensions created by Buran’s oil rules, we all agreed that some refinement was necessary. Simple is better, and Buran did a fantastic job already cutting his game mechanics by half even before our play test, and much more afterwards… playing it just once I would say that I like the price at 3IPCs a barrel and I really like the transport “slots” rule and trust me when I say that it’s very easy to calculate how much a transport can carry while your in game mode.


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    YG and others,

    ––Well, let me re-state that I REALLY LIKE 99 % of Buran’s Oil Rules,…and they seem very thorough and well thought out. I certainly appreciate his hard work and time spent on them.

    ----The only thing that I had any concern about was that being able to ship Oil at 1/2 the rate of Infantry, or 4-Oil Barrels on any sea transport, might be too overpowering or allow some skewing of the economic/military balance in the long run.

    ----For example, in one of my scenarios as Japan I build up a “shuttle service” of Infantry from Japan to Phillipines, and another from there to Borneo,…or wherever I’m attacking. With 2 Transports going to and from Japan-Phillipines (four total) each turn I can easily supply my offensive forces with troops, etc. and All I need to Defend in force (with Fleet units and/or scramble Fighters) is Japan proper, the Phillipines, and then wherever my southern Fleet is.
    ----Here’s the point I’m making,…The Transports rather than returning empty to Japan can return loaded with Oil,…very EFFICIENT!
    ----And another thing, I would build a Minor, then a Major Factory in Korea for the main purpose of “cashing in” the Oil reverues.
    ----I can’t myself “play test” these theories of mine as I only have one player i my area at the moment who is versed in GW-39. I will depend on your opinions as you play test these rules further to see if four Oil Barrels, or only two should be allowed.
    ----I truly hope my previous postings weren’t received as criticisms. My only goal is to have as good, fun, and fair game as possible and therefore I pointed out something I believed might be a potential problem.

    ----IMHO GLOBAL WARFARE-1939 is not only the BEST GAME, but also the FUTURE of A&A gaming!

    Tall Paul



  • Sorry Tall Paul, I hope my post didn’t come across as being defensive… not my intention. your opinions were awesome to read and they didn’t seem like criticism to me. Cheers.


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    YG & others,

    @Young:

    Sorry Tall Paul, I hope my post didn’t come across as being defensive… not my intention. your opinions were awesome to read and they didn’t seem like criticism to me. Cheers.
    **––YG, there’s certainly no need for you to appologize,…It’s just that I realize that sometimes what I’m meaning to say might come across differently when it’s only typed. WE’RE COOL, Brother! BTW, I’ve been meaning to tell you for a while that I REALLY LIKE your new avatar.

    Tall Paul**


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    YG and Buran, thanks for the tip on the crude oil board game. I just got it in and it really has nice pieces. 😄


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    Guys,

    @John:

    YG and Buran, thanks for the tip on the crude oil board game. I just got it in and it really has nice pieces. 😄

    **––Well, I went a different way. With my model railroad background I remembered a company named Campbell that had some really well detailed Oil Barrels that were a little smaller than those shown in the pics above and were turned wood. I wanted my Oil Barrels smaller and so I orderred 8 dozen (96) from Walthers.com and they only cost about $58.00 including shipping if I remember correctly. I’ll post some pics one day when they come in.

    Tall Paul**


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    Tall Paul, thats funny. I’m a model railroader too. I only live 30 mins from Walthers. I use to get my stuff at Standard Hobby out east. Might be New Jersey. If you have a local train hobby store near you they might be able to order barrels for you also. Took my full basement layout down to build 2  4’ x 8’  custom war game tables soon.
    I also have Crude oil game coming today.



  • @Tall:

    YG & others,

    @Young:

    Sorry Tall Paul, I hope my post didn’t come across as being defensive… not my intention. your opinions were awesome to read and they didn’t seem like criticism to me. Cheers.
    **––YG, there’s certainly no need for you to appologize,…It’s just that I realize that sometimes what I’m meaning to say might come across differently when it’s only typed. WE’RE COOL, Brother! BTW, I’ve been meaning to tell you for a while that I REALLY LIKE your new avatar.

    Tall Paul**

    Cheers TP, and thanks.



  • Tall Paul, thats funny. I’m a model railroader too. I only live 30 mins from Walthers. I use to get my stuff at Standard Hobby out east. Might be New Jersey. If you have a local train hobby store near you they might be able to order barrels for you also. Took my full basement layout down to build 2  4’ x 8’  custom war game tables soon.
    I also have Crude oil game coming today.

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    And I’m a railroad modeller too…
    Ahhh…SS… 30 mins from walthers!!! Did you ever visit the warehouse?
    I sold a lot of walthers kit years ago…
    I have more Intermountain, Athearn, Atlas and Exactrail now.

    AL


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    @crusaderiv:

    Tall Paul, thats funny. I’m a model railroader too. I only live 30 mins from Walthers. I use to get my stuff at Standard Hobby out east. Might be New Jersey. If you have a local train hobby store near you they might be able to order barrels for you also. Took my full basement layout down to build 2  4’ x 8’  custom war game tables soon.
    I also have Crude oil game coming today.

    –-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    And I’m a railroad modeller too…
    Ahhh…SS… 30 mins from walthers!!! Did you ever visit the warehouse?
    I sold a lot of walthers kit years ago…
    I have more Intermountain, Athearn, Atlas and Exactrail now.

    AL

    **––Well, I’m not only a railroad modeller (HO, O, and 7 1/2" live steam soon) but a railroad collector, photographer, historian, and for about a decade, a conductor on the BNSF (see below). And I will hopefully soon be building my Railroad & Military Museum.

    Tall Paul**

    Paul-First Daylight Train (Temple, TX) 10-10-2001.jpg
    Paul-(Temple-Houston-01) 2003.jpg



  • Wow! You really are TALL Paul.  :lol:



  • Well, I’m not only a railroad modeller (HO, O, and 7 1/2" live steam soon) but a railroad collector, photographer, historian, and for about a decade, a conductor on the BNSF (see below). And I will hopefully soon be building my Railroad & Military Museum.

    Cool…I’m not only a railroad modeller. (HO scale). I’m also a railroad collector, a railfan since the last 15 years and I work at part time in train hobby shop since 1995.
    My father work for CN and CP during 35 years. I have ‘‘rails’’ under my skin!

    AL


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    Guys,

    @Young:

    Wow! You really are TALL Paul.  :lol:
    **––Well while I’m about 6’-4" tall,…I am the SHORTEST man in my family!  😮
    My Dad, a WW2 vet(see his pic at LEFT), is about 5" TALLER than me! Comes from the German (Prussia) side of our family. My sister is shorter than me, only 6’-0". She was a model years ago (Miss Shreveport).
    ----Anyway, I’m called “Tall Paul” NOT because I have an ego or anything, but usually in my life when I’m around friends there were usually two or three Paul’s,…so I was called Tall Paul and it just “stuck”.

    Tall Paul**


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    @crusaderiv:

    Well, I’m not only a railroad modeller (HO, O, and 7 1/2" live steam soon) but a railroad collector, photographer, historian, and for about a decade, a conductor on the BNSF (see below). And I will hopefully soon be building my Railroad & Military Museum.

    Cool…I’m not only a railroad modeller. (HO scale). I’m also a railroad collector,
    ––What do you collect?
    a railfan since the last 15 years
    ––Chased and photographed steam engines all over (Canada, Mexico and almost South Africa) since 1975
    and I work at part time in train hobby shop since 1995.
    ––My first job was full time at a leading Train store for 5 1/2 years
    My father work for CN and CP during 35 years.
    ––My uncle was an engineer with KCS for 30+ years
    I have ‘‘rails’’ under my skin!
    ––My Dad was a “railfan” and took me on my first steam chase/photograph trip (UP #8444 Boise, Idaho) back in 1965 when I was 7 years old. My Grandmother was a technition at the Louisiana State Museum and helped build all of the diaramas. So between all of them it was kind of a “Perfect Storm” that hit me and made me a Railroad & Military historan/collector, etc.
    Tall Paul
    AL



  • Hi guys,

    I know I’m a little late to the party with this thread,  but there is a great resource for oil barrels at you local game store you should know about. …

    POWER GRID

    It has little wooden oil barrels that fit in perfectly with the Axis & Allies board and pieces (and this rule set). It’s not overly expensive, around 40ish dollars. As an added bonus, it’s a pretty decent game. It’s actually one of the few games my fiance will play…. unlike A&A, which she makes a point of leaving the house if it’s being played.



  • Here’s a picture of a few of the Power Grid oil barrels with some OOB Russians and an oil derrick I picked up from HBG.

    20150403_114406.jpg



  • Making oil barrels?

    Why not just paint some capacitors?
    That way, you can get them in any color and size you want, and they are really cheap 🙂

    The oil concept seems cool will test it next time i have the chance….


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