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The American Front: An Alternate History Map For A&A 1914


  • Customizer

    Hello All,

    In addition to the modified Europe map project I’ve announced here: http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30389.0 , I’m announcing a project I’m starting in parallel: to design a map based on author Harry Turtledove’s excellent alternate history Southern Victory series (http://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/Southern_Victoryhttp://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/Southern_Victory). When finished, this map will butt up against the Europe map to create a full world map of the conflict, as well as be able to be used by itself for those who only want to look at the American Front.

    For those of you who are unfamiliar, the book series is based on the stipulation that the Confederate States of America were able to achieve victory in the American Civil War, as well as in the Second Mexican War some years later, with intervention from their allies, Britain and France. It follows then that by 1914, the CSA is part of the Entente and the United States have allied themselves with Germany and the Central Powers. When the war breaks out, fighting rages along the North/South border, as well as between the U.S. and Canada.

    My goal here is to create a custom map that will mimic the look and feel of the A&A 1914 map, as well as to write some basic rules and scenarios unique to the timeline (for those who have read the books, I do intend to have Deseret and Congaree Socialist uprising rules  😉).



  • Will the expansion/alternate history map also include the Pacific, or at least part of the Pacific to allow Japan to take all of Germany’s Pacific colonies?


  • Customizer

    I hadn’t really planned on it, the idea being that my new Europe map will be 36"x36" and this one will be as well, with North America dominating most of it.



  • Won’t that throw the scale off when the two are combined, with the US being the same size as half of the world?


  • Customizer

    Well, in my map Europe will dominate the center of the the Europe map, most likely most of Africa will be cut off. Since Europe and North America are roughly similar in size, this will make the scale pretty realistic. It’s definitely not going to be measurably perfect, but it won’t be ridiculous.



  • You may need rules for backup capitals because Washington and Richmond are so close.

    I never actually read of the books so I may be wrong about what cities.ate.the capitals in this timeline


  • Customizer

    @oztea:

    You may need rules for backup capitals because Washington and Richmond are so close.

    I never actually read of the books so I may be wrong about what cities.ate.the capitals in this timeline

    Yeah, in the case of the U.S., Washington D.C. was the capital in name only; Philadelphia was the de facto capital. But I might have to make like 1 or 2 backup capitals per nation, and you have to take all of them to win.

    Cutting off the rail line that ran through Chihuahua and Sonora was also critical in the books, which encouraged fighting in the west. Might have to add some sort of National Objectives or something to that effect.



  • One I am a DIE HARD fan of the series so Bravo!!

    Two… definitely have the Dessert and Congareee Uprisings in there.  For National Objectives, might I recommend having a coastal Blockade be one for the USA- During the Great War story cutting off aid from Britain was essential to the US strategy.  Multiple victory cities would be the way to go- something like this-
    (you need 6 of the 8 )

    USA                                                        CSA

    1. D.C.                                                    1) Richmond
    2. Philly                                                    2) Louisville
    3. Manhattan                                            3) New Orleans
    4. Chicago                                                4) Birmingham or St. Matthews
    5. San Fran                                              5) Lubbock
    6. Seattle                                                6) Capital of Sonora or Chihuahua
    7. Somewhere in Kansas                              7) San Antonio or Houston
      8 ) Boston                                                8 ) Habana


  • @ll:

    One I am a DIE HARD fan of the series so Bravo!!

    Two… definitely have the Dessert and Congareee Uprisings in there.  For National Objectives, might I recommend having a coastal Blockade be one for the USA- During the Great War story cutting off aid from Britain was essential to the US strategy.  Multiple victory cities would be the way to go- something like this-
    (you need 6 of the 8 )

    USA                                                         CSA

    1. D.C.                                                     1) Richmond
    2. Philly                                                    2) Louisville
    3. Manhattan                                            3) New Orleans
    4. Chicago                                                4) Birmingham or St. Matthews
    5. San Fran                                               5) Lubbock
    6. Seattle                                                 6) Capital of Sonora or Chihuahua
    7. Somewhere in Kansas                              7) San Antonio or Houston
      8 ) Boston                                                 8 ) Habana

    Lubbock a victory city?  Have you ever been there?  I’d rather use Austin.



  • The only reason being a good portion of the story takes place in Lubbock… it’s where the USA first started training and building barrels and figure out how to use them.



  • @ll:

    The only reason being a good portion of the story takes place in Lubbock… it’s where the USA first started training and building barrels and figure out how to use them.

    Fair enough, I haven’t read the books.



  • The other reason is in the books after WW1 The USA carved off the NW tip of Texas and created it’s own Rump State of Houston… and that did NOT end well…


  • Customizer

    Yeah, I’m also still debating how I’m going to divide up territories…Should I do strictly states, or sub-regions (N. Texas, Northern VA, etc.)?



  • probably should be in the variant section of the forums…



  • Since WWI is its own thing perhaps we should keep it all condensed here.

    We don’t need WWI cross contamination in the WWII sections.



  • Great! If you need assistance hit me up lol. I was going to do one of these, only make it a tad bit smaller. more of a sub map to the original board.

    If people want to play a world wide alternate scenario of this I would reccomend using Italy piecs to represent the CSA, as in this alternate timeline Italy stayed out of the war for either side.

    Also, are ya going to represent the Great Lakes at all? It was an important area in the book but one that could be taken out for the sake of gameplay.


  • Customizer

    Hmmm…Hadn’t really thought about it. I suppose I could stick a cruiser or two up there…

    Thanks for reminding me about the Italy thing, although for some reason using orange units to represent butternut leaves a bad taste in my mouth… but seeing as how Mr. Jensen implied there were barely enough units for OOB setup as it is, it might be the only option (besides purchasing another copy).

    Could also use 1940 Brit units as well.



  • Yeah I figured using the Italians was the more practical option, but using other british (more tan ones) pieces would work to. As said, I think the greatlakes can easily be looked over, might be to much work for little value.



  • I like the ideaa (Read all 11 books ;))

    I think the VCS for CSA should be

    Guyamas (on the pacific coast)
    Houston
    New Orleans
    Birmingham
    Atlanta
    Louisville
    Charleston and Richmond

    USA
    Washington
    Philadelphia
    St Louis
    San Francisco
    Boston
    Chicago
    Salt lake City
    Pittsburgh


  • Customizer

    Good suggestions. Does anyone know the font that the more recent (G40 and 1914) OOB maps use?



  • What ever happened to this? An idea like this doesn’t deserve to be forgotten or abandoned. Was it moved to another thread? It has some great potential.


  • Customizer

    After a bit of a hiatus, I’m restarting this project. Below are some initial thoughts on Victory Cities, additional rules, etc. Once I get these nailed down, I’ll begin work on the map for the game. Please let me know your thoughts and I’ll do my best to incorporate them!

    Possible Victory Cities:

    United States of America
    Washington D.C.
    Philadelphia
    New York
    Boston
    Chicago
    Detroit
    Denver
    San Francisco
    Seattle
    Cleveland

    Confederate States of America
    Richmond
    Atlanta
    Birmingham
    Louisville
    Charleston
    New Orleans
    Nashville
    Chihuahua
    Guaymas
    Houston

    Dominion of Canada
    Toronto
    Quebec City
    Montreal
    Winnipeg
    Vancouver
    Ottawa

    Victory Condition:
    Must control 6/10 of the victory cities in the USA or CSA, 4/6 cities in Canada.

    Uprisings

    The Uprisings Track controls when uprisings occur in the CSA (black socialist uprising) and the USA (Mormon rebellion). Each turn, roll a die and advance the marker by the number on the die if a 3 or less is rolled. Ignore values above 3.

    Enemy nations may also contribute to advancing the track by contributing 5 IPC’s per space moved on the track. Only 5 IPC’s may be given by each player per turn. This represents smuggling weapons to the rebels and attempting to provoke an uprising. Any IPC’s contributed stay in that rebellion’s pool until the rebellion occurs.

    When the marker on the track reaches X, wait until the start of the next turn and spend any IPC’s in the pool, as well as the IPC value(s) of the rebellion area(s) on land units and place them within the rebellion area(s).

    Rebellion Areas:
    Black Socialist Uprising (Use Russia pieces)

    • South Carolina (Congaree Socialist Republic)
    • Georgia (Black Belt Socialist Republic)

    Mormon Rebellion (use Austria Hungary pieces)

    • Utah (Deseret)

    The rebellions become separate factions controlled by the enemy player, and collect an IPC income as long as they exist.

    Initial Thoughts

    So my thought on the map design is to have territories that will be for the most part the same as state lines on the map, with a few exceptions. For example, I will probably make a territory called “Upstate NY” and one called “NY City”, to avoid Canada taking one of the most highly populated cities in the U.S. in one move. There a couple examples of this.

    There was some discussion when the project started as to which pieces to use for which nation, and I think I’m going with:
    USA - U.S. Pieces
    CSA - British Pieces
    Canada - Italy Pieces (The look is right and Canada is sort of a “Minor Nation” in this game)
    Black Socialist Uprising - Russia Pieces
    Mormon Rebellion - Austria-Hungary Pieces
    Quebec (if I ever implement it) - French Pieces

    In general, the USA is going to be more economically powerful than the CSA, but of course they have to fight the war on two fronts.

    I want to possibly do National Objectives for things like blockades and cutting the East-West Rail lines, I’ll have to think about this though.

    I’ll most likely suggest using the new “potential rules” posted in the 1914 forum for movement, etc.



  • Any news about this potential game?

    It sounds fantastic!

    How far is the mapstyling in progress?



  • Just discovered the game “Mason-Dixon: The second american civil war”.

    with its 1917 scenario it sounds familiar to your project:

    http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/7978/mason-dixon-the-second-american-civil-war

    Here´s the map:

    http://boardgamegeek.com/image/332811/mason-dixon-the-second-american-civil-war

    Maybe it contains some interesting or helpful thoughts that could be used for your A&A variant.


  • Customizer

    Chacmool,
        Thanks for your interest. This is one of those projects I come back to every now and then and chip away at. I’m quite happy with how the map is coming so far, maybe I can post some screenshots within the next week or so.

    One of the problems I’m running into with designing the map and setup is that the base 1914 game came so few pieces ( 😮 Shocker, I know!  :roll:), so I might just have to go into this with the assumption that players have either received additional pieces from WOTC or can substitute from other games.


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