• But maybe he plays someone who DOESN’T take Egypt with Germany first turn…… yes they do exist.


  • Well, I did a UK fleet consolidation in SZ38 in the last game I played where Egypt was not attacked on G1 (all except the DD which went to Kwang, and I replaced the original naval FIG (which also fought off Kwang and landed in China) with the Egypt FIG.

    So, I had 2 TRN, 1 SUB, 1 AC, 1 FIG in SZ38.

    Japan proceeded to sink me losing 1 unit.

    BUT, Japan used many of the forces needed for Pearl to do so, and thus the US fleet was untouched on J1…

  • 2007 AAR League

    @ncscswitch:

    Well, I did a UK fleet consolidation in SZ38 in the last game I played where Egypt was not attacked on G1 (all except the DD which went to Kwang, and I replaced the original naval FIG (which also fought off Kwang and landed in China) with the Egypt FIG.

    So, I had 2 TRN, 1 SUB, 1 AC, 1 FIG in SZ38.

    Japan proceeded to sink me losing 1 unit.

    BUT, Japan used many of the forces needed for Pearl to do so, and thus the US fleet was untouched on J1…

    If you’re going to consolidate the UK Indian/Aussie fleets, do it in sz30 instead of sz38.  This puts the fleet out of range of the Jap Caroline Island fleet.  I learned that one the hard way.


  • I am not sure that 38 is a bad move… US fleet intact on US1 is a pretty good trade off in my book, rather than 60% of the initial Pacific Fleet sunk before you even get to move…

    :mrgreen:

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    @jsp4563:

    Has anybody come up with a viable strategy for keeping the UK Indian Ocean and Aussie fleets intact?

    Yes.

    Ignore the Jap Kwa trn and move everything to Sz 30 (including 2 inf from Aus), so you have:  1 sub, 2 trns, 1 dd, 1 ac, 1 ftr (2 inf)

    Very, very, very deadly position when combined with a UK retreat from Ind to Per and a trj to Per.  And a UK/US landing in Alg.
    Add in the UK bom to Cauc, ftrs to Wrus, with a UK heavy air purchase on UK 1 and look out!

    @tcnance:

    about the only think i can see, is if g1 fails to take anglo-egypt, you can choose to combine the fleets in sz30 and move the anglo fig to the carrier, this force will help take down some jap sea units if they attack, another option is to move the aussie tranny and sub toward s america

    It works even if G takes Egy, you can position yourself for some pretty good attacks on UK 2.

    @jsp4563:

    Assuming a successfull attack on Egypt in G1, is it worthwhile to combine the UK & Aussie fleets? I got away with this once but whenever I tried it after that, Japan was all over me. It seems like the only option for these fleets is to do as much damage UK1 and then write them off. The last couple of times I took out the Jap transport with my destroyer, landed troops in Borneo (AC & tranny w/fighter support) and New Guinea (tranny) and attacked the Jap sub in the Solomons (aussie sub). Any thoughts?

    Sz 30 works.

    @ncscswitch:

    You can keep your fleets a few rounds IF…

    1. you combine them in one of the SZ’s west of Australis
    2. you sacrifice Africa to Germany
    3. you sacrifice India to Japan.
    4. you let the US defend China on their own.

    I don;t think those units are worth any ONE of those, let alone all 4.

    1)  Sz 30.  Again.  :-P  :-D
    2)  No, you don’t.  Sz 30 can reach multiple spots in Afr AND the MidE, if Ger isn’t careful their entire Afr army has the potential to be wiped out in one swift move.
    3)  Nope.  Not of concern.  You can counter with extreme force and really set Japan back.  I’d aregue India is overrated to begin with, but that is a different thread.
    4)  China is a lost cause and should have no bearing on the UK move.  I’d also argue you should pull out of Sin as well, again that is for another thread.
    @jsp4563:

    If you’re going to consolidate the UK Indian/Aussie fleets, do it in sz30 instead of sz38. This puts the fleet out of range of the Jap Caroline Island fleet. I learned that one the hard way.

    Yep.  :-D

  • 2007 AAR League

    Darth,

    You do know the fleet in SZ 30 is hittable by 4 fgts, 1 BB , 1 AC on turn 1 by Japan right?  And it still leaves you with 1 ss, 1 Trn, 1 DD , 1 bmb to take if not kill 2 out of 3 units at hawaii then retreat the bomb.

    and still leaves you with 2 fgts for China.

    This doesn’t mean I would hit SZ 30…. Actually I did try it once and it worked out really well. The british fleet was crushed there. Africa ended up falling quicker and harder.

  • 2007 AAR League

    @NoMercy:

    Darth,

    You do know the fleet in SZ 30 is hittable by 4 fgts, 1 BB , 1 AC on turn 1 by Japan right?  And it still leaves you with 1 ss, 1 Trn, 1 DD , 1 bmb to take if not kill 2 out of 3 units at hawaii then retreat the bomb.

    and still leaves you with 2 fgts for China.

    This doesn’t mean I would hit SZ 30…. Actually I did try it once and it worked out really well. The british fleet was crushed there. Africa ended up falling quicker and harder.

    What about the BB for Pearl but still with that little in Pearl and say you miss sneak attack and America gets 3 hits u have to lose a transport, and sub so that could go bad. And as America I would probably counter attack that.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Bah, with my dice, I may as well sacrifice Egypt to Germany.  It’ll net me a bomber, a fighter, 3 infantry in not lost units to the german infantryman sitting there.  (No matter what country I am, I always loose Egypt or take extremely heavy casualties for it.)

    So yea, move your fleet into one spot together.  Tempt the Japs to attack it instead of America.  Gives them more boats to use against Germany to defend their fleet.  Costs you boats, but so what?

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    I’d have no problem if Japan went after both.

    Everyone here has basically conceded the UK fleet is toast, with the possible exception of the sub/trn which could escape to the Atlantc.  But if Japan splts her fleet and for the price of 2 inf on Aus, you’ll kill 3-4 ftrs, possibly an AC in the South Indian Ocean, and another ftr/sub/dd at Pearl since the battle will go 2-3 rds.

    Once US counters that you’ll be left with about 2 ftrs on Asia and a BB in the Indian Ocean while the US has a BB at Pearl a DD sitting right there and a purchase of an AC and ftrs puts SZ 60 in Jeopardy of a ftr/bom strike.  Ouch.

    Lot to gamble just to take out 2 inf on a tran in the Indian Ocean.

    I mean people here have said they send the DD and AC to kill the tran (I noramlly send the DD), maybe kill 1 ftr.  You lose two power units just to get a tran (possibly ftr on counter)???  Well, consolidate in sz 30 and get Japan to commit half her fleet and airforce in the Indain Ocean, and now you get them to throw away several ftrs and possibly capital ships.

  • 2007 AAR League

    I wasn’t saying I was doing it :)

    just said it could be done.

    Me as Germany if I saw your Uk fleet gather in SZ 30, just means I would use my arm to blitz to and back from the surrounding territories and re-boost Egypt or keep my bb/trn in SE and load an extra 2 units to Libya to prepare for some algeria invasions as well.

    and if the UK does not use this nice fleet in the first turns… there usefullness is gone from what I see. the japs will guard most of there stuff from the FIC SZ anyway + they can fly some fts to Egypt to help out the germans. I just don’t see a delayed Egypt attack as feesible… You could probably stack around the bottom of africa and hold out as long as you can with that strat… But I think yes the fleet is pretty much dead and uesless anyway. might as well kill all you can and stall the best you can on turn 1.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    UK fleet doesn’t have to be toast.  You can easily retreat before Japan moves and get your entire fleet (2 Transports, 1 Carrier, 1 Fighter, 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine) to safety.

  • 2007 AAR League

    which is true.

    Darth was implying to use it as a Egypt Counter on UK2 instead of UK1 or for some other use to pester the japs later on or something.

    the fleet by all means can survive. can the fleet by any means be really effective later on? maybe but on turn 1 they have a great opportunity to do greater things then float around continent of africa.

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