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Govt. Response to Katrina
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Why don’t you ever learn that Federal Money can’t be used for the state
FEMA appropriated that money for the explict intent of levee repair and it got diverted by HLS. It doesn’t get any more Federal then that.
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New Orleans had plenty of money to rebuilt the levvies properly, they didn’t need FEMA’s cash, they never did…well, if their government wouldnt have embezzelled it all they wouldn’t have.
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New Orleans had plenty of money to rebuilt the levvies properly, they didn’t need FEMA’s cash, they never did…well, if their government wouldnt have embezzelled it all they wouldn’t have.
And where did you find out that they had this magical money all along, Jen? I am begging you, Jen.
BTW, I read in a very important journal that the Chicago area has the worst reaction time for any emergency. Hmmm…
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BTW, I read in a very important journal that the Chicago area has the worst reaction time for any emergency. Hmmm…
That wouldn’t surprise me, since the Daley Machine has been in control of Chicago forever. The curroption in Chicago is rampent. I believe even Blagovich is having trouble now.
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@cystic:
I wonder how many of these would have gone along if they thought they were just going to overthrow SH. My thinking is that there might be a lot fewer, and there would be a stronger case against Bush’s little declaration.
Maybe a few less, but I think a majority of the willing went to help us, not because they believed in the cause themselves. If one friend going to fight at the flagpole after school, most other of his friends would attend to ensure it was a fair fight and to lend support. I think this is how most of the coalition is.
I think that if you want to use the schoolyard analogy, consider that the so-called “friends in attendance” are there to make sure that their “friend” does not beat them up afterwards for their lunch money.
@cystic:
between 25-100 000 Iraqi civilian lives
I havn’t seen any documentation to support this number, but let’s assume it’s true.
this is because you’ve been ignoring the US and UK data which have loudly trumpetted these numbers over the last year, but ok.
How many civilians died in WWI, WWII, US Civil War, War of 1812, Mexican/American War, American and Indian War, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, etc? I’d assume, as I’d have to without pulling hard figures, that the number is far in excess of the few thousand civilians that have died in Iraq. (And I’m assuming pure, innocent civilians, like cattle farmers, or goat herders or other innocents just going about their normal daily events, not theives, murderers, rapists, terrorists, etc.)
with this reasoning, i suppose that 9/11 wasn’t a big deal at all. Afterall - only a few thousand people got iced there. And Hurricane Katrina - a mere duststorm. I mean - did even 10K people get killed there? That’s nothing!! I guess that there was no reason to get our noses all bent out of shape over AQ.
@cystic:
untold Iraqi defenders killed during an unwarranted invasion
It was warranted. At the very least it was warranted because the Iraqi militia fired on US Forces repeatedly over 10 years. Also, I thought most of their “army” scattered into the hills after the initial engagements. They might be included in your civilian count.
friggen US militia flies over my country and bombs it, and we’ll see how long my pacifist views temper my rifle-purchasing and plane-shootin’ desires . . .
So, I guess you are against the small business and against the working stiff. Which is REALLY weird since most doctors, at least here, are self-employed and you say you are a doctor…does this mean you’re full of self-hatred?
this is reason number one . . .
@cystic:
midnight arrests and torture of citizens thought to be against the occupation by the occupiers
Oh we have been SO over this. Puppies in your cells, the smell of bacon frying, minor discomfort in temperature (32-90 degrees), a few sleepless nights and standing naked is NOT torture! Having your fingernails pulled out with pliers is torture, having your toes cut off iwth guitar string is torture, having your eyes popped with white hot pokers is torture.
and this is reason number two that i am returning to my attempted habit of boycotting any discussion with you. You are a terrible discussion partner.
I had previously posted scientific (peer reviewed) literature in a forum that YOU participated in that not only described a large number of people who were beaten to death in US custody, but also that American officials attempted to cover this up with fudged autopsy reports. I may be just a doctor, but getting beaten to death comes pretty close to torture in many people’s minds.@cystic:
the destruction of 1800 US solders (in addition to allied) lives (nevermind the wounded etc.)
We’ve gone from killed to destruction….Bear in mind that Chicago had more die then died in Iraq, in BOTH wars. Bear in mind that New Orleans lost more in a day then died in Iraq. Bear in mind that Vietnam lost more in a day then in Iraq. And keep in mind some of those casualties listed are from natural causes or equipment malfunctions.
again a terrible analogy.
So the fact that only a few US solders died relative to other stupid wars justifies the invasion? I suppose these people would have died in the US if they were not killing Iraqis . . . in Chicago?? Really - you are so all over the map with your non-sequitors and fried logic.@cystic:
increased friction between the west and the middle east
Yea, because we always got a warm embrace when any westerner went over there right? I mean, that’s why the state department issed that whole statement from the 70s to the present about how US citizens travelling to the middle east are on their own, they weren’t going to go save you from terrorists. Or how Israel and America were always held in high regard by the fanatics that come to power over there. Right, we were all lovey-dovey until we toppled Saddam….of course, I think we’re a lot more lovey dovey NOW that Saddam is gone. There’s two regimes that like us, the Kuwaitis and the Iraqis, Iran’s comming around and starting to follow the world laws, Arabia’s less fidgity now, etc.
You had very close friends in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait until Iraq.
Hmmmm . . . Saudi Arabia . . . didn’t many of those 9/11 bombers come from there? I guess since so few US citizens got killed then that’s why you didn’t bother invading Saudi Arabia . . . .@cystic:
an increase in terrorism in the world
Not an increase. A decrease. They’re just in the spotlight more so it seems like an increase. However, most of the terrorist leaders and a lot of cells are being broken and captured each day. And many of what’s left are rag tag groups working without central leadership trying to annoy us in Iraq. Better there then here anyway. At least there we can focus on one small area, if they were here we’d have to focus there and here and in France and in Germany and in Poland and in Italy……
reason number 3. Now you’re just making stuff up.
@cystic:
now this is not my worry, couldn’t the >$85 B that you guys dumped into Iraq be spent in better ways? Maybe in reinforced levees around a couple of cattle fields/cities? Again - not my problem.
Oh, you mean like the 43 billion they had from special taxes in New Orleans to fund evacuation and reinforce the levvies that disapeared? Gotcha.
yeah - good timing. That was lucky that you got it in there AFTER the flooding.
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BTW, I read in a very important journal that the Chicago area has the worst reaction time for any emergency. Hmmm…
That wouldn’t surprise me, since the Daley Machine has been in control of Chicago forever. The curroption in Chicago is rampent. I believe even Blagovich is having trouble now.
Its from the tollway revenues. The revenues have already paid off the bonds issued for them. The original intent was to keep the tollways up until the original bonds were paid off. Well the polititions who promised it will eventially go away have been replaced by new ones greedy to be paid by tollway money. Its become a political dragon and the gov’t on municipal and state levels have no more valient knights to fight it. The tollways are evil. The are and will stay a continuous lie until they go away like the original promise.
Remember the big campaign to get the transponders? Non-users are now charged double? Transponder violators are allowed 20 before massive late payment penalties escalate the fine into the thousands of dollars per driver. All for about $10 of unpaid tolls over time. Pure evil.
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@stuka:
New Orleans had plenty of money to rebuilt the levvies properly, they didn’t need FEMA’s cash, they never did…well, if their government wouldnt have embezzelled it all they wouldn’t have.
And where did you find out that they had this magical money all along, Jen? I am begging you, Jen.
BTW, I read in a very important journal that the Chicago area has the worst reaction time for any emergency. Hmmm…
I found out from Neil Schmidt who was a resident of New Orleans and had been paying that tax for well over 12 years by the time the hurricane hit. Based on what he paid percentage wise and then applying that to the total population at the average income for the area, you can figure out easily that they had millions if not billions “set aside” to fix the levvies up proper and evacuate the city.
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BTW, I read in a very important journal that the Chicago area has the worst reaction time for any emergency. Hmmm…
That wouldn’t surprise me, since the Daley Machine has been in control of Chicago forever. The curroption in Chicago is rampent. I believe even Blagovich is having trouble now.
It wouldnt surprise me at all. Chicago has some of the worst traffic in the world and to make matters worse, all the expressways in our beloved city are always under construction further screwing up the traffic situation.
I don’t think it’s Daley’s fault, in that even he can’t keep this city working properly.
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CC: I discounted your article as either fiction or misinformation by the intelligensia elitists. Quiet frankly, that would have been all over every newspaper world wide followed by hundreds of investigators pulling MPs out of Gitmo and Iraq and putting them in jail. As none of that happened, obviously your “peer reviewed” crap is just more yellow journalism.
The ONLY facts I’ve seen, documented in actual photographs, are puppies, bacon, Quran’s on televisions and nudity. Thus, that’s all that’s happened.
You’ll be happy to know that if things continue as they have so far, Chicago this year should have the fewest number of homicides since 1967, when 552 people were murdered in our city. According to Police Supt. Phil Cline, there were 560 homicides through November
http://chicago.about.com/b/a/2003_12_23.htm
Nov-04 137 (Iraq War Casualties)
http://icasualties.org/oif/USchart.aspx
Yup, it’s just SO much safer here in the United States then in Iraq…such a HORRIBLE place to live…you’re right. Cause there wern’t 5 times as many people killed by handguns in Chicago then in Baghdad! Oh my lord, how could I have been SO wrong!!! 560 homicides is SOOO much better then 137 KIA. Sheesh. You know, CC, when you’re wrong, you’re REALLY wrong!
BTW, that’s only homicides. That isn’t including freezing to death, heat stroke, old age, disease, illiness, car accidents, etc. Just homicides. If you add in all deaths, we’re probably talking thousands a month every month, every year that die in Chicago.
Also, the funds for the levvies were there BEFORE the hurricane. Billions and billions of dollars stolen from the people of New Orleans to fix the levvies (after the 70’s when the Army Corps of Engineers told them their levvies were insufficient) that cannot be found now. You know what they say, put a democrat in charge of money and you’ll never see it again!
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@stuka:
New Orleans had plenty of money to rebuilt the levvies properly, they didn’t need FEMA’s cash, they never did…well, if their government wouldnt have embezzelled it all they wouldn’t have.
And where did you find out that they had this magical money all along, Jen? I am begging you, Jen.
BTW, I read in a very important journal that the Chicago area has the worst reaction time for any emergency. Hmmm…
I found out from Neil Schmidt who was a resident of New Orleans and had been paying that tax for well over 12 years by the time the hurricane hit. Based on what he paid percentage wise and then applying that to the total population at the average income for the area, you can figure out easily that they had millions if not billions “set aside” to fix the levvies up proper and evacuate the city.
Well Bob Smith who lived in Texas his whole life and ate eggs there told me Bush was a thief and never registered with selective service, so that must be true.
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CC: I discounted your article as either fiction or misinformation by the intelligensia elitists. Quiet frankly, that would have been all over every newspaper world wide followed by hundreds of investigators pulling MPs out of Gitmo and Iraq and putting them in jail. As none of that happened, obviously your “peer reviewed” crap is just more yellow journalism.
The ONLY facts I’ve seen, documented in actual photographs, are puppies, bacon, Quran’s on televisions and nudity. Thus, that’s all that’s happened.
i can’t stand it anymore.
I nearly wish to resign just so that i can forget about “setting a good example” and say the kinds of things that i’ve had to delete.
Yup, it’s just SO much safer here in the United States then in Iraq…such a HORRIBLE place to live…you’re right. Cause there wern’t 5 times as many people killed by handguns in Chicago then in Baghdad! Oh my lord, how could I have been SO wrong!!! 560 homicides is SOOO much better then 137 KIA. Sheesh. You know, CC, when you’re wrong, you’re REALLY wrong!
yes, you’re right. :roll: you can compare the number of US army deaths in the entirety of Iraq and compare that to the number of homicides in Chicago and affirm that you made the country a better place.
Whatever. I’m sure that the kind of people who buy this are the kind of people who were thinking it anyway.BTW, that’s only homicides. That isn’t including freezing to death, heat stroke, old age, disease, illiness, car accidents, etc. Just homicides. If you add in all deaths, we’re probably talking thousands a month every month, every year that die in Chicago.
and this is applicable to the number of US solders killed in Iraq somehow as proof that the world is a better place.
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@cystic:
CC: I discounted your article as either fiction or misinformation by the intelligensia elitists. Quiet frankly, that would have been all over every newspaper world wide followed by hundreds of investigators pulling MPs out of Gitmo and Iraq and putting them in jail. As none of that happened, obviously your “peer reviewed” crap is just more yellow journalism.
The ONLY facts I’ve seen, documented in actual photographs, are puppies, bacon, Quran’s on televisions and nudity. Thus, that’s all that’s happened.
i can’t stand it anymore.
I nearly wish to resign just so that i can forget about “setting a good example” and say the kinds of things that i’ve had to delete.
Yup, it’s just SO much safer here in the United States then in Iraq…such a HORRIBLE place to live…you’re right. Cause there wern’t 5 times as many people killed by handguns in Chicago then in Baghdad! Oh my lord, how could I have been SO wrong!!! 560 homicides is SOOO much better then 137 KIA. Sheesh. You know, CC, when you’re wrong, you’re REALLY wrong!
yes, you’re right. :roll: you can compare the number of US army deaths in the entirety of Iraq and compare that to the number of homicides in Chicago and affirm that you made the country a better place.
Whatever. I’m sure that the kind of people who buy this are the kind of people who were thinking it anyway.BTW, that’s only homicides. That isn’t including freezing to death, heat stroke, old age, disease, illiness, car accidents, etc. Just homicides. If you add in all deaths, we’re probably talking thousands a month every month, every year that die in Chicago.
and this is applicable to the number of US solders killed in Iraq somehow as proof that the world is a better place.
well done you debating master.No, you accused me of not knowing what I was talking about when I said it was more dangerous to live in Chicago then be a US Soldier in Iraq. Again, I had to prove you wrong.
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No, you accused me of not knowing what I was talking about when I said it was more dangerous to live in Chicago then be a US Soldier in Iraq. Again, I had to prove you wrong.
proove i did this.
Proove it or i’m once again using the “liar liar pants on fire” argument. -
@cystic:
No, you accused me of not knowing what I was talking about when I said it was more dangerous to live in Chicago then be a US Soldier in Iraq. Again, I had to prove you wrong.
proove i did this.
Proove it or i’m once again using the “liar liar pants on fire” argument.@cystic:
again a terrible analogy.
So the fact that only a few US solders died relative to other stupid wars justifies the invasion? I suppose these people would have died in the US if they were not killing Iraqis . . . in Chicago?? Really - you are so all over the map with your non-sequitors and fried logic.This is but ONE time you tried to tell me that Chicago was safer. There are other times when I specifically said that the highways in Chicago are more dangerous then being a US soldier in Iraq where you told me to prove up and I did.
A more detailed search of posts over the last 3 days would most assuredly turn up 3-5 more such posts from you - unless you’ve deleted them or editted your comments that is. I know MY posts and comments have been edited by someone other then myself as I’ve seen them on my screen, hit the refresh button and they’re different or missing. Not that I’m blaming you specifically, it could be a hacker or a different moderator……
You really have a short memory, for a doctor. maybe you arn’t getting enough sleep?? You really should go see someone about that, it could be a mental disorder.
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@cystic:
again a terrible analogy.
So the fact that only a few US solders died relative to other stupid wars justifies the invasion? I suppose these people would have died in the US if they were not killing Iraqis . . . in Chicago?? Really - you are so all over the map with your non-sequitors and fried logic.This is but ONE time you tried to tell me that Chicago was safer. There are other times when I specifically said that the highways in Chicago are more dangerous then being a US soldier in Iraq where you told me to prove up and I did.
You really have a short memory, for a doctor. maybe you arn’t getting enough sleep?? You really should go see someone about that, it could be a mental disorder.
Again you lied, and you used quotes to prove it. Bizaare.
Also - insulting me does not make you look smarter.(note: i did not tell you that Chicago was safer - i said that comparing these numbers was inappropriate paricularly when it comes to justifying an invasion. Completely different. Stop fricken’ lying about me. In fact - don’t make further reference about me, and i won’t reference you. Aside from defending myself i am boycotting further discussion with you.)
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@cystic:
@cystic:
again a terrible analogy.
So the fact that only a few US solders died relative to other stupid wars justifies the invasion? I suppose these people would have died in the US if they were not killing Iraqis . . . in Chicago?? Really - you are so all over the map with your non-sequitors and fried logic.This is but ONE time you tried to tell me that Chicago was safer. There are other times when I specifically said that the highways in Chicago are more dangerous then being a US soldier in Iraq where you told me to prove up and I did.
You really have a short memory, for a doctor. maybe you arn’t getting enough sleep?? You really should go see someone about that, it could be a mental disorder.
Again you lied, and you used quotes to prove it. Bizaare.
Also - insulting me does not make you look smarter.(note: i did not tell you that Chicago was safer - i said that comparing these numbers was inappropriate paricularly when it comes to justifying an invasion. Completely different. Stop fricken’ lying about me. In fact - don’t make further reference about me, and i won’t reference you. Aside from defending myself i am boycotting further discussion with you.)
YES! I might have an intelligent discussion without your inanitites interfering again!
As I said, that was but ONE instance of you saying I was wrong when I was clearly correct in referrencing the two.
For instance, there is a clear correllation between the two:
Street Gangs in Chicago = Insurgents in Iraq
Accidents in Chicago = Accidents in Iraq
Heatstroke/Freezing in Chicago = Heatstroke/Freezing in Iraq
Disease/Illness in Chicago = Disease/Illness in IraqIt’s all the same. Same types of deaths, everything is the same! You just wish them to be different because it clearly shows that life in our country on any given day is MORE dangerous then dealing with a couple rag-tag terrorists in Iraq.
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So should we invade the Windy City then? It almost seems you are making a good reason for it…and with your stating most of the nation guard from Illinois and Kentucky are deployed already in the beach resort that is Iraq then it should be a push over…
This was sarcasm…I still can’t believe you are really trying to show that the City with Too Many Nicknames is just the same as the peace keeping mission/conflict/war/not a war that is Iraq…
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So should we invade the Windy City then? It almost seems you are making a good reason for it…and with your stating most of the nation guard from Illinois and Kentucky are deployed already in the beach resort that is Iraq then it should be a push over…
This was sarcasm…I still can’t believe you are really trying to show that the City with Too Many Nicknames is just the same as the peace keeping mission/conflict/war/not a war that is Iraq…
No, the beach resort is Gitmo.
And yes, we most assuredly should send in the national guard to curtail the gang violence, racial violence and highway violence in the streets of Chicago. Furthermore, we should hold congressional hearings for Mayor Daley to investigate why this man allowed the city to fall to such dissarray.
See, this is why I think we should focus on the home front and not the foreigners. No offense, but screw em. We have our own problems here at home. If we fixed those, we’d be a shining utopia for the world to emulate instead of trying to fix the problems of others.
Also, please note, I’m only comparing the two in incidents of death rates. Iraq is much more democratic then Chicago, it’s a much nicer place to live (at least you don’t have drive by shootings every day in almost every neighborhood, or multiple rapes each night, or helpless policemen that would rather take bribes then stand up for the victims and arrest the criminals, etc.) There’s a major problem here. And maybe, just maybe, the only solution is to invoke the Insurrection Act and quell the city by military force. Or maybe we could just fire the police and hire new ones from other states/cities so that we can clean up our streets.
However, whatever the solution is to Chicago’s problems, the fact remains that it is extremely more dangerous to walk the streets of Chicago at night then it is to walk the streets of Baghdad at night.
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at least you don’t have drive by shootings every day in almost every neighborhood, or multiple rapes each night, or helpless policemen that would rather take bribes then stand up for the victims and arrest the criminals, etc.
Instead you have roadside bombs instead of drive by’s, shoots all day and night and I haven’t heard it reported but I am sure there are plenty of women being treated poorly over there. And if you want to talk about a corrupt police force come on…
Since you won’t try to stop comparing the two I pose this question - if Iraq is such a walk in the park why do we still need troops over there? Hell it sounds like a vacation hot spot, should I start looking at group rates?
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at least you don’t have drive by shootings every day in almost every neighborhood, or multiple rapes each night, or helpless policemen that would rather take bribes then stand up for the victims and arrest the criminals, etc.
Instead you have roadside bombs instead of drive by’s, shoots all day and night and I haven’t heard it reported but I am sure there are plenty of women being treated poorly over there. And if you want to talk about a corrupt police force come on…
Thank you for making my point. The streets of Iraq are very similar to the streets of Chicago, IL. The only real difference is that the number of deaths in Iraq are miniscule when compared to the number of deaths in Chicago, IL.
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