5000 light years away!
My head is exploding trying to picture that.
Thanks MrMalachi.
Can the Republican Party reclaim California in 2004 or 2008?
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Win governorship? Possibly
Reclaim California? Maybe by 2020, but not before. A new generation must mature which sees the err of Dems.O__7, I visit California(SanD & San Fran areas) at least once a year.
I know Drs. in SanD who feel the system is deteriorating because of the med care given for free to illegals.
In San Fran, most oF the folks I know have a nasty, big city( :roll: :lol: ) attitude. Even though it’s not a big city(trust me, I live in Cincinnati, and there are enough folks here who think the same way[but, not nasty.] The people in SF know the gay/etc. rights push is killing the city. The sex change/and return payments for city workers is just one example. A crappy home in Cincy, that would go for $50,000, would cost $750,000 in San Fran. I’ve seen it! :o -
–they ought to make it EASIER for Mexicans to become Americans, not harder.
As it should be with any race… Though you always have to keep secruity at a premium
Win governorship? Possibly
Reclaim California? Maybe by 2020, but not before. A new generation must mature which sees the err of Dems.I don’t take it takes more than 8 yeas to realize the error in some people’s ways… :-?
In San Fran, most oF the folks I know have a nasty, big city( ) attitude.
The people in SF know the gay/etc. rights push is killing the city.
I’m seriously started to question your statement when you said you been there… what part do you travel to? :-?
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A & A General Forum is turning me into wierdo! :o
OK my last 2 posts were way out for me, & I really don’t want to go political, so I will stop posting here after this one (…“think NICE thoughts, Ozone27” :wink: ) …
Xi, fair enough if that’s what you’ve heard from folks–can’t argue w/ opinions, & that may indeed be what you’ve heard (SF is home to A LOT of diverse opinions, not all of them Liberal: that’s just the stereotype).
But I don’t feel the least bit sorry for doctors who “have” to administer health care to illegals who can’t pay. Ever heard of the &%#$@*&$ Hippocratic Oath? Sorry it’s such a pain in the a$$ to follow it…
Cali has a lot of illegal aliens because people put up w/ it. People put up w/ it because they are useful for performing crap jobs no one else wants to do for low pay & no benefits. People only pay lip service to wanting them out. Until we make it easier for law-abiding, productive people to be here & work here legally (and for “human-being-level” wages & benefits), then the state ought to have to pay some of their expenses (including medical care, since that’s just basic humanity & people who are “off the books”, and have lousy incomes usually can’t afford it).
As soon as the taxes go up, people will be like:“What’s going on here?” and wonder why after all these years of BS from the politicians, the illegals are STILL HERE! Then they will either kick all of them out & we’ll have to pick our own crops & blow our own leaves & do all the lousy s**t jobs ourselves–for minimum wage of course, which is like $6.75 here I think now–or they will finally wise up & start accepting that whoa, maybe most of these illegals ought to be “legals” after all…
That is all. Return to your posts.
I promise I’ll be a good boy from now on… 8)
Ozone27
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So you guys are saying not now but maybe in the future?
And Ozone27 you said by supporting gays right might help, that I would disagree. The Republicans go gay and the party can kiss the Southern vote Good-bye. I’m not saying that Gay people shouldn’t have rights I’m just saying that the reality is alot of christian voters wouldn’t vote Republican, and that could cripple the Republican party!!! Please excuse my spelling.
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The biggest problem is that illegals don’t count themselves into the census (you’re right… most illegals end up taking the low paying jobs - so by becoming citizens, they would mainly be exempt from paying taxes). That’s my problem, since the census determines how much money is allocated to the State.
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Exactly, TG. So why not help them become citizens, instead of turning them away?
Ozone27
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But who will they be loyal to Ozone27?? U.S. or Mexico?? I have no problem them becomming citizens but can they please do it legally!!
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Exactly, TG. So why not help them become citizens, instead of turning them away?
Where did I say that? I agree with, waraxis. If they are going to come over they should at least take the time to become proper citizens.
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Can Mexico reclaim California from the USA in 2004 or 2008?
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:D I know I promised but you people are infuriating me!:D
I know a gal from Oaxaca Mexico who is a DOCTOR & had a practice there. She finally gave up because she could no longer make a living (no one could pay her & she was at the end of her rope working 12-hour shifts for no money).
So she married a (legal) Mexican-American & got her green card & works here in a LAB 'cuz she can’t even get a nursing license without going all the way back through American medical school. They eventually got divorced, and recently she went down to the INS to apply for citizenship.
She scored 100% (which most of you probably couldn’t even do, I know I couldn’t–that thing is hard) on her citizenship test, has 2 American children, has been living & working here for years & they refused her application because she HASN’T BEEN DIVORCED LONG ENOUGH! See, they want to protect “good” “honest” Americans who marry foreigners from being exploited by people who–GASP!–just want to be Americans.
So now she’s thinking of moving back to Oaxaca because to her its better to be poor & help people (rather than test urine samples for $12 bucks an hour) than be in a place where no one wants her around…
Now that’s just one example, but you know there are a lot of other people out there just like her, and here we are, lucky enough through having done nothing but get the luck of birth & happen to be US citizens by default…
Why does it hafta be so damm hard for these people to get green cards and eventually apply for citizenship? Most of them are just law-abiding hardworking people & you know it! They are just the objects of this ridiculous suspicion like their crooks for no good reason!
Ozone27
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Now I’m relly not gonna post on this topic anymore 'cuz all it’s doing is upsetting me and not one thing I say here is gonna change anyone’s mind… :wink:
That is all. Return to your posts.
Ozone27
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Learn a little English …
Take and pass the citizenship test …
Pay your taxes …any objections?
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Not from me!! All I ask is that they and anybody else do it legally. Just please follow the the law. The English part I think though is a little harsh we have no right to tell a people how to speak. If they want to keep speaking Spanish thats their right. They get in legally, pay taxes, respect the law, and when the time comes fight in our wars, they can speak what ever they want.
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Not from me!! All I ask is that they and anybody else do it legally. Just please follow the the law. The English part I think though is a little harsh we have no right to tell a people how to speak. If they want to keep speaking Spanish thats their right. They get in legally, pay taxes, respect the law, and when the time comes fight in our wars, they can speak what ever they want.
Exactly right waraxis! :P
Somehow, becuase we want people to FOLLOW THE LAW, we’re labeled as immigrant-haters, or even racist.
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OK, if they want to remain poor citizens … as long as they don’t complain.
(long sentence follows)Studies have shown that immigrants who learn English are employed sooner, get better paying jobs and succeed far more often than those who remain connected mainly to their own culture and continue to speak solely their mother tongue. My Chinese ancestors are evidence of this. -
The people who use words like immigrant-hater or racist are just trying to scare other people. These words tend to be from people on the Hard Left who have other agendas. When somebody starts screaming raciscm you heve to wonder who they are trying to scare or stop and why?? Its sad that people have over used those words cause now when people bring up raciscm It doesn’t have that effect anymore.
Xi that is true now but will not be true when Spanish speaking people make up the majority in the Southwest area of the country in the near future.(50 years) Asking people to give up their home langauge when soon it will be the most spoken langauge in their state is just wrong.
Spanish speaking people(mostly Mexicans) will be the majority in the following states California, Arzonia, New Mexico, and Texas in the next 50 years. Xi asking these people to stop speaking their langauge when they become the majority in these states is wrong.When they become the majority in those 4 states then not knowing Spanish will result in less earning power, for whites and blacks.
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So you would encourage ths generation and the next 2-3 generations to suffer 2nd class citizenship for the next fifty years?
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They are not second class citizens, they have rights, they have acces to welfare, very few get deported. Granted there still is some trouble for them, but the idea that they are on the verge of being demoted to 2nd class is wrong. Do you know how many things are in Spanish in those 4 states. The radio shows they have??
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They are not second class citizens … have rights … access to welfare, very few get deported … how many things are in Spanish in those 4 states … radio shows … ?
Those of Mexican, Central & South American, Portuguese and Espanol descent_are a larger part of the US population than blacks/African- Americans. Yet they do not have the same race type of representation. Their average education level and economic earning potential have been shown to be below that of Oriental/Occidentals. Their economic plight then deprives them of ‘OJ Simpson level’ legal representation in the courts.
As I have said in other posts, the welfare and medical care systems are overloaded in some parts of the SW US. The Mexican girl who recently had transplant surgery was an illegal who was pushed to the top of the transplant list because she was a welfare case. Then, when she dies her parents are sueing. Worse yet, they will not donate her good organs to others who could benefit.
Not most, but many illegals have criminal records in their native countries. More illegals should be deported, but the system was destroyed by the Clinton Administration. Illegals were allowed in, released, not charged … for the simple reason that polls showed that illegals who could vote(notice any problem with this idea?)would vote Democrat.My argument with the # of things in Spanish or radio shows is that they exist. This dicourages blending of cultures which is where the US gets much of her strength. Two languages encourages two cultures … two cultures encourages the creation of two countries(e.g., the @waraxis:
They are not second class citizens … have rights … access to welfare, very few get deported … how many things are in Spanish in those 4 states … radio shows … ?
Those of Mexican, Central & South American, Portuguese and Espanol descent_are a larger part of the US population than blacks/African- Americans. Yet they do not have the same race type of representation. Their average education level and economic earning potential have been shown to be below that of Oriental/Occidentals. Their economic plight then deprives them of ‘OJ Simpson level’ legal representation in the courts.
As I have said in other posts, the welfare and medical care systems are overloaded in some parts of the SW US. The Mexican girl who recently had transplant surgery was an illegal who was pushed to the top of the transplant list because she was a welfare case. Then, when she dies her parents are sueing. Worse yet, they will not donate her good organs to others who could benefit.
Not most, but many illegals have criminal records in their native countries. More illegals should be deported, but the system was destroyed by the Clinton Administration. Illegals were allowed in, released, not charged … for the simple reason that polls showed that illegals who could vote(notice any problem with this idea?)would vote Democrat.My argument with the # of things in Spanish or radio shows is that they exist. This dicourages blending of cultures which is where the US gets much of her strength. Two languages encourages two cultures … two cultures encourages the creation of two countries(e.g., the Qebecios-Canada struggle.)__
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s I have said in other posts, the welfare and medical care systems are overloaded in some parts of the SW US. The Mexican girl who recently had transplant surgery was an illegal who was pushed to the top of the transplant list because she was a welfare case. Then, when she dies her parents are sueing. Worse yet, they will not donate her good organs to others who could benefit.
I believe her organs were unfit to be retransplanted. Of course, I could be wrong. Sad case, stupid doctors. And I see no difference whether the girl was Mexican or not. And no, she was not an illegal, though her parents are not citizens.
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