Infrastructure vs Stalingradski Global 2nd Ed. + RUS BMB

[Major Major]

I surrender.

Good job on your first win.

[Major Major]

Is a 1/3 loss reroll for a whole turn or one battle?

[Stalingradski]

We never really specified. Our goal is to figure out the best way to have good, competitive games, which should = fun. So I’m open to whatever makes sense to that end, and as long as we make sure it applies to both of us, all is good. So if a whole turn needs to be done again, so be it.

[Major Major]

I brought an inf and art to java but forgot to unload them to attack plus some extreme bad luck in one battle and bad luck in a couple others. (surprise. how many games have I played and had only bad luck with Japan early…)

FIrst I remember we said that we had to agree it was agregious.  WHat do you think?
In Shensi; I should have won with 1strat, 2tact, 2ftr, 1arm, 1art left.  I had just 1strat and 2tacts left.  With all the other extra losses that round it looked even worse.

I want you to make the call since I’m the beggar here.  If you say our rule is to reroll the whole round, I will take the 1/3 loss and also ask that you let me land those units that were supposed to in java.
If you think just that battle is more in line than I will need to think long and hard about it, because my bad luck and stupidity has already cost me a lot in this game and it probably isn’t worth the extra 1/3 loss…

[Stalingradski]

I’ve got no problem making the call on this - go for it! The battles were egregious - esp Shensi. I brought in the Russians to inflict casualties, yes, but that was absurd. Units can land in Java - you know I’d never hold you for ransom on something like that.

[Major Major]

OK here goes.  I feel weird, cause I already think I’m losing, but whats 1/3 among friends…

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.5

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to 45 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 61 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Malaya to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            3 armour moved from Kiangsu to Hopei
            2 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Ulaanbaatar
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
                  Japanese take Sakha from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Siberia
            1 bomber moved from Japan to Ulaanbaatar
            1 bomber moved from Kiangsu to Shensi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to Yunnan
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Java
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Shan State
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Yunnan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 6 infantry; Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers in Shensi, round 1 :  7/10 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Shensi, round 1 :  0/7 hits
                    6 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi
                Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
                Casualties for Russians: 6 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Ulaanbaatar
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Ulaanbaatar, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Ulaanbaatar, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ulaanbaatar
                Japanese win, taking Ulaanbaatar from Russians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Siberia
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Siberia, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Siberia, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Siberia
                Japanese win, taking Siberia from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Hopei
                Japanese attack with 3 armour
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 armour in Hopei, round 1 :  3/3 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
                Japanese win, taking Hopei from Chinese with 3 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 42 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 1 :  3/6 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 1 :  3/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British , 1 infantry owned by the Japanese , 1 artillery owned by the British , 1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Shan State, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 1 :  2/4 hits
                    UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Shan State, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British , 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Shan State
                Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Java
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 armour
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Java, round 1 :  3/4 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour in Java, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 armour owned by the Americans lost in Java
                Japanese win, taking Java from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 armour
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Malaya
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 61 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 aaGun moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            2 fighters moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            1 bomber moved from Shensi to Kwangsi
            3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            1 bomber moved from Ulaanbaatar to Korea
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Siberia to Korea
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Japan
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea

Place Units - Japanese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangsi: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Yunnan from Chinese to Japanese
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Yunnan: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Malaya
            1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Korea: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Japan: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 42 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 62 PUs; end with 62 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs

[Major Major]

That was almost too lucky.  shensi went from getting 4 extra to getting 3 under…
sorry for all the edits, I kept getting pulled away and got a little confused. I swear it was all legal and what I planned to do!  That lucky turn definitely made me not regret my 1/3 loss…

[Stalingradski]

Does the fighter in Germany intercept? How exciting! :-D

German intercept.tsvg

[Major Major]

of freakin course!

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.5

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Dutch New Guinea
            Air Battle in Western Germany
                Americans attacks with 1 units heading to Western Germany
                Germans launches 1 interceptors out of Western Germany
                Air Battle is over, the remaining Bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in Western Germany
                Bombing raid in Western Germany rolls: 7 and causes: 7 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in Western Germany causes 7 damage total.
            Battle in Philippines
                Americans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Dutch New Guinea from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 aaGun, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports moved from 49 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            2 infantry moved from Line Islands to 29 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 29 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 50 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 63 Sea Zone to New Zealand
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 106 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 106 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Colombia to Southeast Mexico

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 bomber placed in Eastern United States
            1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 72 PUs

[Stalingradski]

I’ll hold off on China for now.

[Major Major]

OK found this;
Proposal for new rod/steven save a game that gets skewed by extreme bad luck.
A: We are now keeping track of online wins and losses and we are both very competitive.
B: We are honest and want a good game that is not skewed overly much by extreme luck.
C: If we both agree a dice battle is agregious/game changing we can try this method.
  1. We both agree it is reroll eligible (see B)
  2. The person wanting the reroll takes 1/3 game loss on our record.
  3. The battle is rerolled twice and the opponent chooses which one is played moving forward.
  3(Alternative).  The battle is rerolled 3 times and the median avg battle is used.

[Major Major]

We agreed to 3alt.

OK let me find that original jpn turn dice…

[Major Major]

OK. I went back re-edited map.

The crappy thing is that the first 2 of 3 rolls were extremes in both directions so this roll could be too…

I will roll it here for ease:
29135:Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers in Shensi, round 1‏;
Rolls: 2@1, 2@2, 3@3, 3@4; Total Hits: 52@1,: (4, 1)2@2,: (2, 4)3@3,: (5, 1, 6)3@4: (6, 1, 2)

29135:Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Shensi, round 1‏;
Rolls: 7@2; Total Hits: 37@2: (6, 2, 2, 5, 4, 2, 5)

[Major Major]

rd2:
jpn;Rolls: 1@2, 3@3, 3@4; Total Hits: 31@2,: (1)3@3,: (4, 2, 5)3@4: (3, 6, 5)
chi;Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 02@2: (5, 3)

[Major Major]

We have a new winner!
that battle is median.  A lot of work, but I feel we are back on track with this map!

[Stalingradski]

Thank you sir for the extra work to get it right.

Let’s figure out the 1/3 win thing at some point, but I’m not too worried about it right now.

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.5

Game History

Round :5

Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Syria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Iraq
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Syria
            2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Burma to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from India to Shan State
            1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Yunnan

Combat - British
            Battle in Iraq
                British attack with 1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 armour
                British win, taking Iraq from Germans with 1 armour and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                British attack with 1 artillery and 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery
            Battle in Yunnan
                British attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
            Battle in Syria
                British attack with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
                Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                British win, taking Syria from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Alexandria
                British attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 armour
                British win, taking Alexandria from Italians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour

Non Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Syria to Egypt
            1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from Mozambique to 72 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 76 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Egypt
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            2 infantry moved from West India to India
            2 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 fighter moved from Shan State to India
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to India
            1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
            1 bomber moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
            2 infantry moved from Central America to Southeast Mexico
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

Place Units - British
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom
            1 submarine placed in 121 Sea Zone
            1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 85 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1
            British collect 43 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 43 PUs total

[Stalingradski]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.5

Game History

Round :5

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery and 1 infantry