Allweneedislove (Allies +9) vs. Fortress (Axis) - G40

[Fortress]

Wow. That sub really tilts Taranto odds. Under a full scramble it probably saves 1.5 planes for you.

No scramble. We already stripped all the parts off of those boats, anyways. The stern guns on the BB are actually papier mache…

simple ool - tilt BB, cruiser, BB

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia

Combat - British
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 96 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in Ethiopia
                British attack with 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Ethiopia, round 1 :  2/7 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ethiopia, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Ethiopia
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Ethiopia, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Ethiopia
                British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for British: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/6 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    1 battleship owned by the Italians , 1 submarine owned by the British and 1 cruiser owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
                British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
                Casualties for British: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 submarine
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 110 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Germans Submerged
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in 110 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter

Non Combat Move - British
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 destroyer moved from 106 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 artillery moved from India to Burma

Place Units - British
            9 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 29 PUs; end with 30 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs

Territory Summary for British :

Shan State : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Burma : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    India : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Malaya : 1 flag, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    39 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
    Iceland : 1 flag, 1 airfield
    Quebec : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    Gibraltar : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    New Brunswick Nova Scotia : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Egypt : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    Union of South Africa : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Scotland : 1 flag, 1 airfield
    Malta : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    United Kingdom : 1 flag, 5 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 14 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Rhodesia : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Ethiopia : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    96 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 cruiser
    76 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 transports
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 transport
    109 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    97 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
    81 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 70
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 29 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 0
    Italians : 9 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 12 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

Territory Summary for UK_Pacific :

India : 1 flag, 1 factory_major

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 70
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 29 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 9 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 12 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

@Fortress:

Wow. That sub really tilts Taranto odds. Under a full scramble it probably saves 1.5 planes for you.

No scramble. We already stripped all the parts off of those boats, anyways. The stern guns on the BB are actually papier mache…

simple ool - tilt BB, cruiser, BB

yeah i think it is a great bid placement, makes a big difference.

[Fortress]

We’ve got an issue. You took a weird order of loss for me in z110. DD, 2F that hit only once against a SS, BB – I’d assume the SS takes the hit. I’ve got 5 pips in defense that round. I’d be assuming I’d hit once and you’d soak with the DD. I’d rather have an undamaged BB going against 2F than a SS and a BB- going against 2F.

If you would have continued the fight at that point (and that 1 hit on each side result was the most likely from the start of the battle), then round 2 of combat is still valid.

Round 3 starts with 1F attacking an undamaged BB. Would you retreat at that point? If you would’ve retreated then I need to edit out the sub and edit in the undamaged BB. If you would’ve pressed the attack (hoping to at least tilt it at the possible cost of the F in a spot where it couldn’t be repaired until G3 off WGer), then we accept the Round 3 result and need to do Round 4 (since in the original battle you attacked in exactly that scenario in the original Round 3), with 1F attacking a damaged BB. We could use the “test server” function on the dice server to generate a die roll first for the F, and then again for the BB.

Do you think that’s a fair solution? It’s the best I can come up with. Obviously we both have to pretend that you don’t know that you hit and I missed in what would be an attack by 1F on an undamaged BB. I have absolutely no problem believing you (and have no reason to question otherwise) if you’d continue the attack at that point, so definitely don’t sweat that- I wouldn’t question the integrity of somebody who’s been in as many games as you (obviously if you were shady you’d be hard up for opponents, which you’re not).

So to recap:
We could leave it as-is, but it reflects an incorrect ool. You could retreat the F after what would have been Round 2, leaving an undamaged BB in z110 instead of the sub that’s there now. Or we could use the “test server” on the dice server to generate an attack roll for the F and a defending roll for the damaged BB, simulating what would be a new Round 4.

With a possible Sealion sitting out there, the difference between a z110 SS and UK F (currently), a z110 BB and UK F (if the F retreated rather than attacking an undamaged BB), and a battle in z110 between a damaged BB and a UK F isn’t insignificant. It’s not a for-sure game changer, but that decision is exactly the one I wanted you to have to make when I sacrificed 2 planes on the final damage phase of G1 in order to keep a SS and an undamaged BB there. (I was actually hoping that you’d take a less aggressive run at Italy in order to both sink them and keep a F presence on London, to be honest -LOL).

What do you think?

[allweneedislove]

sorry fortress, it was completely my fault. I should have asked for ools.

i was being selfish/impatient and just picked what i would have done. luckily it is not that big of a hassle to fix.

the way to correct the messed up ool is easy, we just go back to the point where i should have asked for the ool and reroll the battle from that point.

the point where i should have saved and asked you for an ool is after i rolled my attack and got one hit.

if you like the outcome as it is now please let me know and we will keep playing. if you would like the hit to go to the sub let me know and i will reroll the battle from that point.

sorry again for the mistake

[Fortress]

No sweat – easy mistake to make and easy one to fix. It was impossible for you to know what I would be thinking. But at the time my thought was that if you brought the DD along to soak a hit away from the planes, that I would leave the SS there so that the BB could roll potentially an extra time and might stay alive.

Hit to the SS please. Thx.

[allweneedislove]

defense rd1
1 battleship
Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 01@4: (6)

[allweneedislove]

attacker rd2
1destroyer, 2 fighters
Rolls: 1@2 2@3; Total Hits: 31@2: (2)2@3: (3, 1)

defender rd2
1 battleship
Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 11@4: (3)

[allweneedislove]

here is the corrected map. you had bad luck in the revised battle.

[Fortress]

I can’t stop laughing at how we can’t get this right. The dice ended up wrong again. The sub that I picked as a casualty never got a defending die in round 1. The dice came off 6,2,3,1,3. Those should have been, in order: SS defend R1 (miss), BB defend R1 (hit-DD casualty), F attack R2 (hit-tip BB), F attack R2 (hit-sink BB), BB defend R2 (hit-F casualty). If you want to keep these dice, I’m fine and ready to move on. If you want to re-roll, I’m fine. Whatever you decide; I just want to be done with this battle already and get on with the rest of the game.  :-)

[allweneedislove]

@Fortress:

…The sub that I picked as a casualty never got a defending die in round 1…

we only recreated the battle from the point were i made the mistake of not asking for your ools.

rd1 your sub rolls first and rolled a 5
rd1 my destroyer rolled a 6, my two fighters rolled a 1 and a 6.

i should have asked for ools at this point. this is were we recreated the battle.

i killed the sub that had already rolled.

then i rolled the dice for your battleship defense to finish rd1 of combat.

[Fortress]

You’re RIGHT! I ALWAYS forget that defending subs roll before the non-subs attack! Silly rabbit…  :oops: Face, meet palm! Thanks!! For some reason, I always think of that as a special sub ability that gets cancelled by the destroyer – because we’re not actually holding the dice in our hands I totally forget that the computer doesn’t screw up order! I beg of you a thousand pardons.

[Fortress]

Italian Sub scored hit combat round 1. Do you want to supply an ool or just the first hit and I’ll ask again when the rest of the combat takes place?

[allweneedislove]

destroyer, cruiser, fig, fig, carrier full, carrier hit

[Fortress]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Politics - Italians

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 1 :  1/4 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Tunisia
                Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/5 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians , 1 cruiser owned by the British , 1 submarine owned by the Italians , 2 fighters owned by the British , 1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Italians and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy
            1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1
            Italians collect 10 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 12 PUs total

Territory Summary for Italians :

Gibraltar : 1 flag, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Kenya : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Tunisia : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Tobruk : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
    Northern Italy : 1 flag, 1 factory_major, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Southern Italy : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    92 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 transport
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 70
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 28 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 11 / 12
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 11 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 4 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 2.900
        Median : 2.000
        Variance : 1.333
        Standard Deviation : 1.155
        Total rolls : 10

Null / Other
            1 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 1.000
        Median : 1.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

British Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            2 was rolled 3 times
            6 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 3.167
        Median : 2.000
        Variance : 1.600
        Standard Deviation : 1.265
        Total rolls : 6

Italians Combat
            2 was rolled 1 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3.000
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 1.500
        Standard Deviation : 1.225
        Total rolls : 3

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :1

Combat Move - French
            1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                  French take Holland Belgium from Germans
            1 cruiser moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

Combat - French
            Battle in 92 Sea Zone
                French attack with 1 cruiser
                Italians defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 92 Sea Zone
                French win with 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Italians: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - French
            1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to Nigeria
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

Trans-Jordan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Nigeria : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 1 flag, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
    Morocco : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Algeria : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Holland Belgium : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    94 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer
    92 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 cruiser
    81 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 39 / 70
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 28 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 11 / 12
    ANZAC : 10 / 13
    French : 14 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[Fortress]

Scramble orders, please, to z109, sir.

G2_scramble.tsvg

[allweneedislove]

scramble all 3 figs

[allweneedislove]

ools
destroyer, french fig, uk fig x 2