GenCon Indy 2012

[Asterios]

@miamiumike:

Scarapis,

but you represent the game itself and it behooves you to abide by the game rules or any other sanctioned rules supplied by them would it not? or do you not represent them, since sorry if your were in one of my teams, you would be terminated for failure to comply with the company guidelines.

Seriously dude, what part of OPTIONAL RULES do you not get? WotC and Larry Harris have blessed what Greg has produced. If you don’t like the format of the tournament because it does NOT make use of optional rules - that is cool - it really is. But don’t sit there and accuse people of somehow violating laws or some other corporate ‘code’ when you don’t have the first clue what you are talking about.

WotC is damn happy to have Greg do what he does - cause goodness knows no one else has stepped up to take over his duties.

MM

You dare, you have no clue who I am, but I sure know a PR disaster when I see one and Smo is quickly headed there, not only has he brought problems on here, but he has even brought this discussion up on other boards, do you honestly think he is secure in his job and that the company is happy with his work? do you wish to put it to the test, cause I can sure oblige you with that, not too mention WotC is oblivious to his rule changes and one thing I know is they are stickler for rules and sticklers for making sure they are enforced, furthermore its not like he only removed the optional rules, but he added new rules of his own design, so before you go getting on your high horse better make sure you have a leg to stand on, as it goes, I only got into this convo because I thought it was disgraceful for a couple of newbie members here to insult several seasoned members, and that is also one thing WotC does not tolerate either since it gives them a bad image.

[miamiumike]

Wow…just wow…OK, it would appear as though we have gone as far as we can…I’ll go my way, you can go yours.

MM

[ghr2]

This thread has become a Greg bashing fest for no reason.  Scarapis, even if Greg’s team were creasting radical rule changes, wotc would not give 2 flippin S!@#s what kinda of tournament rules greg or whomever he works with at gencon.  They are trying to appeal to new people as well as seasoned ones.  Frankly, I bet wotc is happy to see greg help to expand the community.  More players = more sold games = more profits.

Not once has he or mm said anything truely hostile against the the online community in this thread, so I have no idea where people are getting (why is smor so hostile?).  Things were all normal untill some people started bashing the people who were organizing the tournaments for talkign about having a different ruleset from what is played online.  Why does everybody have to do things YOUR way then? (directed at people complaining about the tournament rules)

[Asterios]

@ghr2:

This thread has become a Greg bashing fest for no reason.�  Scarapis, even if Greg’s team were creasting radical rule changes, wotc would not give 2 flippin S!@#s what kinda of tournament rules greg or whomever he works with at gencon.�  They are trying to appeal to new people as well as seasoned ones.�  Frankly, I bet wotc is happy to see greg help to expand the community.�  More players = more sold games = more profits.� Â

Not once has he or mm said anything truely hostile against the the online community in this thread, so I have no idea where people are getting (why is smor so hostile?).�  Things were all normal untill some people started bashing the people who were organizing the tournaments for talkign about having a different ruleset from what is played online.�  Why does everybody have to do things YOUR way then? (directed at people complaining about the tournament rules)

go check page 2 or heres a quote to read: (PS: I don’t play online either, I play FTF)
@smo63:

@Gargantua:

we wanted people to play asa much as possible, rather than spending additional time trying to figure out what NOs they had or how to get them.

What?

If you’re not competent enough to calculate NO’s at the end of the turn, or incorporate them into general strategic thinking, then you SHOULDN’T be playing Axis and Allies.

That’s like saying, “Lets play the game without Artillery, Cruisers, or Bombers, because we want people playing Axis and Allies, and not spending additional time figuring out what these units can do, and how many options they have”

Absurd.

Hold a risk tournament instead.

Gargantua, Yes, you are a villian and have a small mind to back it.  I can’t believe you were even competent enough to respond to this post without hurting yourself.  As far as those who shouldn’t be playing AA, really only those self proclaimed villians come to mind. Â

[ghr2]

And your point Scarapis?

[Asterios]

@ghr2:

And your point Scarapis?

let me thin his quote to Gargantua even more shall we since its obvious the obvious eludes you:

Gargantua, Yes, you are a villian and have a small mind to back it. � I can’t believe you were even competent enough to respond to this post without hurting yourself.

[ghr2]

I am waiting for your explanation not a quote sir.

[ghr2]

I have a pretty good idea what you are trying to say, I just want to have it confirmed.

[Asterios]

Put it this way, not saying either party is innocent, the problem I see is we have a new member who is a representative of GenCon and WotC who insulted a member of long standing here, it doesn’t matter who started it first, the fact is Gargantua does not represent this site or anyone, but smo63 does (or so he says), and as a representative of those groups his actions are under scrutiny even more so since he represents those groups, so his actions should have reflected so and if someone showed disbarrage to him he should have ignored them as any decent rep would, but he did not and he compounded his mistake by disrespecting said seasoned member which gives many people cause how much his actions are endorsed by said groups.

That is what i’m trying to say, cause right now my opinion of both groups (GenCon and WotC) went downhill if smo63 is a representative of theirs in goodstanding like Miamiumike says he is.

[questioneer]

Alright Greg,

Time to move our little spar to the right thread.

Let’s truce for a minute here.  We don’t agree on some things so I’m not going to talk anymore about those things…unless you want to bring them up again, in which case we would probably just argue for pages and never resolve anything.

So…I’m just going to bring up some common interests here.

The Automatic Bids from Online Gamers at AA.org- you stated on the other thread that you would be open to this idea.  I would like to talk details about this but I need to know if you are still seriously interested in this idea.

[BushidoBlitz]

Wow, Scarapis and Gargantua, I am utterly flabbergasted that you continue to misunderstand the necessity of tourney rules that are not “in the rulebook,” even after the reasons have been explained logically–and lengthily, I might add.  I can only conclude that either a) you have a distinct agenda against Greg and/or FTF A&A tourneys that deviate one iota from the box rules (really???), or b) you are immature–perhaps teenagers or younger, or c) you have mental health issues.  Seriously, that’s not a personal attack, that’s genuine bafflement and concern should a) and b) both be ruled out.

BB

[Asterios]

@BushidoBlitz:

Wow, Scarapis and Gargantua, I am utterly flabbergasted that you continue to misunderstand the necessity of tourney rules that are not “in the rulebook,” even after the reasons have been explained logically–and lengthily, I might add.  I can only conclude that either a) you have a distinct agenda against Greg and/or FTF A&A tourneys that deviate one iota from the box rules (really???), or b) you are immature–perhaps teenagers or younger, or c) you have mental health issues.  Seriously, that’s not a personal attack, that’s genuine bafflement and concern should a) and b) both be ruled out.

BB

too answer your questions BB

A: have no clue who Greg is nor care, care that his actions reflect poorly on GenCon and WotC, as to the rules don’t know either nor care to, but if I went to a con to play a game would expect to play by the written rules and not some made up by people other then the company promoting the game.

B: most likely older then you, hell my kids are probably older then most on this site.

C: not mentally impaired either wouldn’t be able to do what I do if I was.

[Veqryn]

my comments on attitude aside,

i see nothing wrong with playing 1 of the 2 versions of aa50 in a tournament setting, with both optional rules turned off
(both versions are official)

it isn’t the most popularly played version, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a tournament based around it

when i introduce people to aa50, I usually do not include objectives or tech

[ghr2]

Honestly, I dont believe seniority gives anyone the right to be flat out rude to others.  It is stupid how some people can get away with insulting attacks, and when the attacked defend themselves, they get branded as “hostile” or said that they made a   “DoW on the community.”

[Asterios]

@ghr2:

Honestly, I dont believe seniority gives anyone the right to be flat out rude to others. � It is stupid how some people can get away with insulting attacks, and when the attacked defend themselves, they get branded as “hostile” or said that they made a �  “DoW on the community.”

ok then ask yourself this, your in a store and you see a merchandiser working on his company rack, and a customer, the customer comments about why the merchandiser is setting his rack up the way he is, and how it looks wrong and aweful, next thing you know the merchandiser calls the customer an imbecile and stupid, what would your thoughts be?

[ghr2]

Your anaolgy forgets that the customer is the one who is calling the merchandiser an imbecile aswell as arguing about the rack. � It should draw simpathy for the merchandiser who is being blatantly harassed. � Instead, the other customers are comming in and harassing the merchandiser aswell. � So, I am inclined to lend my support to the merchandiser. � It would be alot better if the original customer would calmly use constructive criticism instead of the verbal attacks. �  There is no excuse for anyone to act rude or to attack others personally. �

Btw, smo called garg a villain because “Axis&Allies.org Villain” � or something like that is under his avatar. � I do agree greg should of kept his cool a little more, but who would keep their cool of some one is talking trash to them?

And your right, garg does not represent this website, so there is no reason to assume greg is against the online commuity, since his “attack” was directed at garg’s behavior.

[ghr2]

I would expect the merhcandiser to pick up the customer and throw him out of the building and to get a cheer from the others.

[Asterios]

@ghr2:

I would expect the merhcandiser to pick up the customer and throw him out of the building and to get a cheer from the others.

yeah well evidently you never worked in the retail field, there is a saying the customer is always right, it doesn’t matter if he isn’t, but you have to act like he is, furthermore, have you read the discussion? also in this case the customer did not call the merchandiser an imbecile, up to the point where Garg was attacked he did not attack anyone in particular, but commented how the way the event is run, and that you might as well remove all the rules and such if your going to change it. if Greg was one of my reps and I saw this convo he would no longer be a rep.

[ghr2]

Well then, I just lost a little more hope for humanity today.  When some people get away with BS and others get the shaft.  Reminds me of that story recently where that cashier got fired for defending himself and other customers from an armed robber with his own concealed weapon.  (not exactly the same as what happened here but anyways).   Like I said, greg could ob kept his cool better and acted more profesional since apparantly in a way represents wotc/larry harris, but he does not deserve anywhere near this kind of flak that it is blown way out of proportion.

[Asterios]

@ghr2:

Well then, I just lost a little more hope for humanity today.� � When some people get away with BS and others get the shaft.� � Reminds me of that story recently where that cashier got fired for defending himself and other customers from an armed robber with his own concealed weapon.� � (not exactly the same as what happened herebut anyways).� � � Like I said, greg could ob kept hsi cool better and acted more profesional since he in a way represents wotc/larry harris, but he does not deserve anywhere near this kind of flak that it is blown way out of proportion.

you miss the point, a lot of the flak he is receiving is for what he did, he Attacked Garg first, garg attacked how the event was run, but Greg Attacked Garg personally first calling him names, and thats a straight up no no in my book since he is a rep, and his actions made both GenCon and WotC look bad, while Garg’s comments on his game play only made Garg look bad.

and don’t get me started about criminals, my belief is they try to rob me then they deserve to die, and if they brandish a weapon they will.

PS: also knowing this will age me, last time I attended Gen Con was Gen Con West for a couple of years(I was a big D&D fan).