Like even Axis&Allies.org, how is it that you got the ability to call if Axis&Allies, not like, Dictator Coalition & Democracy Alliance.org?
Legalization of drugs
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“why are none of us at work right now?”
I am. Just being lazy while I wait for some figures to put in a fund request. I go on vacation next week and am short timing.“regardless, i find it hard to believe an educated populace would all of the sudden become opium addicts.”
I don’t say they will. They did not then really. The byproducts of drug use bug me the most. Once addicted people will do anything to get more. That means crime. People that become addicts loose mental capacity, so even if cured they become less valuable to society. Maybe even a strain on our healthcare system. Oh well. None of it is good. Not to mention drugs already affect those with the least ability to make good choices about their use. Kids. Legalizing them will just make it easier to get them in kids hands. Never in favor of something that can ruin a life as it’s just starting.
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that’s why we don’t want a universal healthcare system. it increases costs and rewards those who live in an unhealthy manner.
Alcohol is part of our society. when the illegalized it, we still had alcoholics. thus it is legal again and we are used to the problems it puts forward.
Making drugs legal without doubt would lead to an explosion of drug use, because it is not socially accepted yet. However, once it is, I guarentee you the drug addicts would probably be the alcoholics/smoking peopulation of today. I do not find it coincidental that people with chemical vices are all generally smoker alcoholics.
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that’s why we don’t want a universal healthcare system. it increases costs and rewards those who live in an unhealthy manner.
if the first part is true, then how come the US pays a higher percentage of its GDP (14%) without universal healthcare than Canada (8%)?
Also i do not believe that the second part of your statement is true. For example our life expectancy is longer than yours.
People will live in an unhealthy matter regardless of the nature of the healthcare available. No one says “i will risk lung cancer because i can get the system to pay for it”. At least none of the people i’ve seen and diagnosed with lung cancer.Making drugs legal without doubt would lead to an explosion of drug use, because it is not socially accepted yet. However, once it is, I guarentee you the drug addicts would probably be the alcoholics/smoking peopulation of today. I do not find it coincidental that people with chemical vices are all generally smoker alcoholics.
what drugs?
and in my society, smoking has become socially very unacceptible. Its popularity has not been this low in many decades.
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you obviously did not get the second point, so i cannot respond to it. i said that if drugs are legal, that does nbot determine whether or not they become a societal plauge.
if the first part is true, then how come the US pays a higher percentage of its GDP (14%) without universal healthcare than Canada (8%)?
Canada simply does not have the specialists America has and the costs of seeing these people drives up costs all together. I highly doubt the universal healthcare in canada would have diagnosed my wheat allergy…i had to on my own accord send info to a texan lab. this lab would be out of business if there was universal healthcare unless it existed outside of it. if that is true, why have universal healthcare at all if it cannot cover all our health ailments?
Also i do not believe that the second part of your statement is true. For example our life expectancy is longer than yours.
Canada is colder and it is documented colder areas have greater life expectency. you also lack a relatively unhealthy immigrant population comparable to America’s. Furthermore, Americans crash their cars and shoot each other at higher rates, lowering the life expectancy.
People will live in an unhealthy matter regardless of the nature of the healthcare available. No one says “i will risk lung cancer because i can get the system to pay for it”. At least none of the people i’ve seen and diagnosed with lung cancer.
granted, but i don’t want to pay for it.
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you obviously did not get the second point, so i cannot respond to it. i said that if drugs are legal, that does nbot determine whether or not they become a societal plauge.
fair enough.
i was curious as to which “drugs” you were referring to. I’m not being silly either - i assumed you were not referring to prescription meds, caffeine, nicotine or alcohol, but what of non-prescription narcotics vs. marijuana vs. amphetamines vs. barbiturates etc.?
Also it is not coincidental that those with chemical dependences also are smoker/alcoholics - many of these also have psychiatric illnesses.if the first part is true, then how come the US pays a higher percentage of its GDP (14%) without universal healthcare than Canada (8%)?
Canada simply does not have the specialists America has and the costs of seeing these people drives up costs all together. I highly doubt the universal healthcare in canada would have diagnosed my wheat allergy…i had to on my own accord send info to a texan lab. this lab would be out of business if there was universal healthcare unless it existed outside of it. if that is true, why have universal healthcare at all if it cannot cover all our health ailments?
actually we do have the speciallists that America has. We have an excellent medical education system that is second to no other country.
And i am quite certain that it would take very little to diagnose a wheat allergy. Whether it is a celiac disorder or an IgE response to wheat, these are things that could readily be determined by a Canadian trained allergist at nearly any lab in the city. We also have the most advanced level 4 virus lab in the world in my home city. Granted some metabolic tests require a Toronto lab to help diagnose, however the paediatric metabolic speciallists are quite equipped to deal with these.
No, what you pay for are HMOs which have to pay for advertising, additional layers of management, profit holders/dividend receivers, and astronomical litigation protection fees for doctors and hospitals, not to mention much higher prices for pharmaceuticals.Also i do not believe that the second part of your statement is true. For example our life expectancy is longer than yours.
Canada is colder and it is documented colder areas have greater life expectency. you also lack a relatively unhealthy immigrant population comparable to America’s. Furthermore, Americans crash their cars and shoot each other at higher rates, lowering the life expectancy.
what does a cold country have to do with a higher life expectancy? There is no correllate between living in a cold country and health. Just because northern European countries also have universal healthcare and have higher life expectancy rates does not have much to do with cold weather.
As for our “relatively unhealthy immigrant population” - this is an ignorant statement. Our aboriginal population is quite unhealthy with a massive amount of diabetes, HIV, CVD, etc. Also Canada has a very high proportion of immigrants - possibly as high or higher than that of the US.People will live in an unhealthy matter regardless of the nature of the healthcare available. No one says “i will risk lung cancer because i can get the system to pay for it”. At least none of the people i’ve seen and diagnosed with lung cancer.
granted, but i don’t want to pay for it.
but you may have to. Not for anything that you have done, but simply because of bad luck. The thing is, as long as you have an insurance policy, you ARE paying for it, and you are paying more than in a country with universal healthcare.
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Yes, it was the OBGYN that gave me the shot and sliced and diced. Maybe that’s not standard proceedure though?
And, don’t they have some extensive waiting lists for cosemetic and life-saving surgeries in Canada? At least that’s what the press is always saying down here in the States. They (the press) claims that many Canadians flock over the boarder for surgery because it’s faster (more expensive) then it is in Canada.
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Yes, it was the OBGYN that gave me the shot and sliced and diced. Maybe that’s not standard proceedure though?
it can be. Usually an anaesthetist gives an analgesic by epidural, however an obgyn may also administer iv meds.
i just had never heard of narcotics preventing episiotomy tears.And, don’t they have some extensive waiting lists for cosemetic and life-saving surgeries in Canada? At least that’s what the press is always saying down here in the States. They (the press) claims that many Canadians flock over the boarder for surgery because it’s faster (more expensive) then it is in Canada.
there are long wait lists for certain orthopaedic and other surgeries in Canada. Cosmetic surgeries are paid outside of the public system as they are “cosmetic” and i have not heard of waiting lists for them.
As for “life-saving” surgeries - our system is based on the idea of “triage”. People who “need” the operation sooner based on their disease and health will get the operation sooner. People who otherwise have to wait but can afford the operation earlier will go to the states for it. -
If cigarettes are legal, I don’t see a problem with pot being legal.
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actually we do have the speciallists that America has. We have an excellent medical education system that is second to no other country.
the truth is that I would be bounced from orthopedist to orthopedist in canada and none would have sent me to an allergist. This is a fact. my wheat problem took its face in nerve damage, especially in my right elbow and now knee. both would have been considered orthpedic problems.
So I would have to go through years of orthopedists and still have none send me to an allergist. furthermore, being that I am young and not showing the wheat allergy in an outward fashion, a stool test would be the only working version, not the tests with pricking, blood, and what not. The limited labs that do this particular testing are in America.
you further bring up that there are long waiting lists. You get what you pay for.
No, what you pay for are HMOs which have to pay for advertising, additional layers of management, profit holders/dividend receivers, and astronomical litigation protection fees for doctors and hospitals, not to mention much higher prices for pharmaceuticals.
granted, government regulations are an impediment to good healthcare and they exist in america. that is a problem. ideally, government would not mess with healthcare at all.
I do find it silly that you mention your cheaper prices on drugs because you have price ceilings. Those drugs are made in america and sold to canada cheaper than they sell it to americans. IF America would adopt price ceilings (and not allow the monopolization of drug developments like America) American drug companies would simply stop producing the drugs they usually would and advance would stop. This would lead to not only dramatic shortages in America, but then Canada would literally get a taste of its own medicine.
Essentially, lacking better words for it, Canada is holding up American drug companies because there is no incentive NOT to make at least some profit in Canada. However, the moment they stop ripping off Americans, Canada would face collasal drug shortages.
what does a cold country have to do with a higher life expectancy? There is no correllate between living in a cold country and health.
You might eb right now come to think of it. In the past, warmer climates spawned diseases and plagues from insects, scewing the statistics. I’m not sure if that is relevant today.
Just because northern European countries also have universal healthcare and have higher life expectancy rates does not have much to do with cold weather.
As for our “relatively unhealthy immigrant population” - this is an ignorant statement. Our aboriginal population is quite unhealthy with a massive amount of diabetes, HIV, CVD, etc. Also Canada has a very high proportion of immigrants - possibly as high or higher than that of the US.Okay, let me clear up a few blatantly lies.
1. America has a very unhealthy/alcoholic Native American population. it is a sad but true fact.
2. 1% of America’s population is native American, 13% of it is black, and about 13% hispanic. All of these ethnicities on average have lower incomes than Asians and Whites. In America, 10% of its population is foreign born according to the 1990 census.While America had 9 million legal immigrants (it probably actually has been double), which would account for anywhere from 3 to 6 % of America’s population.
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/analytic/companion/etoimm/tables/provs/immsh.cfm
^^^ Meanwhile in Canada, such immigrants are probably closer to 0.5% to 1.0% approximately.3. Canada’s population is approximately 6.3 percent non-white and asian (http://atlas.gc.ca/site/english/maps/archives/5thedition/peopleandsociety/population/mcr4189?l=5&r=0&c=2).
but you may have to. Not for anything that you have done, but simply because of bad luck. The thing is, as long as you have an insurance policy, you ARE paying for it, and you are paying more than in a country with universal healthcare.
If America ridded itself of its medical regulations, the stranglehold of lawyers and insurance companies would die. Smokers pay more for their insurance anyway.
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Dunno if he gave me the drugs for the episiotomy, but he did do that first. Probably because he had to do it while I was sitting up?
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ciggarrettes are only legal because you would have 50 million very pissed off and nicotine-deprived peopel on your hands if they were made illegal, and becuase too many people cant justify denying someone else the right to ruin themselves. i think cigarrettes should be illegal, so i dont think legalizing pot is a good idea based on that. plus, its not very helpful to say “since one bad thing is legal, another should be too”
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Dunno if he gave me the drugs for the episiotomy, but he did do that first. Probably because he had to do it while I was sitting up?
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chances are that an anaesthetist gave you an epidural. They give this while you are sitting up because it has a higher specific gravity than cerebrospinal fluid. It does not prevent vaginal tearing, but makes it much less painful. -
ciggarrettes are only legal because you would have 50 million very pissed off and nicotine-deprived peopel on your hands if they were made illegal, and becuase too many people cant justify denying someone else the right to ruin themselves. i think cigarrettes should be illegal, so i dont think legalizing pot is a good idea based on that. plus, its not very helpful to say “since one bad thing is legal, another should be too”
Well if that’s the case, Janus, don’t you think that alcohol gives the same right for people to ruin themselves as well? If so, wouldn’t it be reasonable to believe that you think alcohol should be illegal as well?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??? :o:lol: :lol: :lol: Just kiddin, man.
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actually we do have the speciallists that America has. We have an excellent medical education system that is second to no other country.
the truth is that I would be bounced from orthopedist to orthopedist in canada and none would have sent me to an allergist. This is a fact. my wheat problem took its face in nerve damage, especially in my right elbow and now knee. both would have been considered orthpedic problems.
So I would have to go through years of orthopedists and still have none send me to an allergist. furthermore, being that I am young and not showing the wheat allergy in an outward fashion, a stool test would be the only working version, not the tests with pricking, blood, and what not. The limited labs that do this particular testing are in America.
i’m sorry, but how do you know this? i’m not even an orthopod, so i’m not sure how you know this would go on here. I think that prior to sending you to an orthopod your family doc/EMO would want to be assured that it is an orthopaedic injury. This is something that you would more likely be seen by a rheumatologist for. These people would not bounce you around so much, as their tests would be far more likely to have them consider referring you to an allergist if the problem was not something that they would pick up themselves.
No, what you pay for are HMOs which have to pay for advertising, additional layers of management, profit holders/dividend receivers, and astronomical litigation protection fees for doctors and hospitals, not to mention much higher prices for pharmaceuticals.
granted, government regulations are an impediment to good healthcare and they exist in america. that is a problem. ideally, government would not mess with healthcare at all.
I do find it silly that you mention your cheaper prices on drugs because you have price ceilings. Those drugs are made in america and sold to canada cheaper than they sell it to americans. IF America would adopt price ceilings (and not allow the monopolization of drug developments like America) American drug companies would simply stop producing the drugs they usually would and advance would stop. This would lead to not only dramatic shortages in America, but then Canada would literally get a taste of its own medicine.
Essentially, lacking better words for it, Canada is holding up American drug companies because there is no incentive NOT to make at least some profit in Canada. However, the moment they stop ripping off Americans, Canada would face collasal drug shortages.
oh really? Is America the only country that produces chemicals/pharmaceuticals? Why then, is the US purchasing the flu shot from Canadian manufacturers?
As for us “ripping off Americans” - i’m not sure how that is happening any more than Americans are ripping off Canadians. Keep in mind too that the largest pharma companies in the world are European and they fuel most of the innovative research in the world. Also there are many pharma companies that produce medications in Canada. (Keep in mind that i worked in the pharma industry for a few years - i know the inside of it quite well).what does a cold country have to do with a higher life expectancy? There is no correllate between living in a cold country and health.
You might eb right now come to think of it. In the past, warmer climates spawned diseases and plagues from insects, scewing the statistics. I’m not sure if that is relevant today.
i don’t think so. Especially if i look at places north of us. Keep in mind too that nearly 90% of the population of Canada lives within 100 km of the US border - furthermore our most populated areas are well south of much of the US. I don’t see that this would contribute that much.
Just because northern European countries also have universal healthcare and have higher life expectancy rates does not have much to do with cold weather.
As for our “relatively unhealthy immigrant population” - this is an ignorant statement. Our aboriginal population is quite unhealthy with a massive amount of diabetes, HIV, CVD, etc. Also Canada has a very high proportion of immigrants - possibly as high or higher than that of the US.Okay, let me clear up a few blatantly lies.
1. America has a very unhealthy/alcoholic Native American population. it is a sad but true fact.
2. 1% of America’s population is native American, 13% of it is black, and about 13% hispanic. All of these ethnicities on average have lower incomes than Asians and Whites. In America, 10% of its population is foreign born according to the 1990 census.While America had 9 million legal immigrants (it probably actually has been double), which would account for anywhere from 3 to 6 % of America’s population.
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/analytic/companion/etoimm/tables/provs/immsh.cfm
^^^ Meanwhile in Canada, such immigrants are probably closer to 0.5% to 1.0% approximately.3. Canada’s population is approximately 6.3 percent non-white and asian (http://atlas.gc.ca/site/english/maps/archives/5thedition/peopleandsociety/population/mcr4189?l=5&r=0&c=2).
ahhh all the lies you’ve cleared up.
- yes - both countries have first nations people screwed over by British/American/Canadian gov’ts.
- the “stats can” table i checked suggests that the Canadian non-European/non-American immigrant population is closer to 10% of the Canadian population. You referenced a “1990’s” immigrant table. You don’t think it’s possible that we have immigrants from other decades as well? (i.e. the 80’s, the 2000’s, etc.?)
- our non-white and asian population is closer to 13.5% of the population (again the stats can website). This is a low estimate i think, given that nearly half of the population was not counted here as they declared themselves simply as “Canadian” thereby deflating the number of immigrants.
all the lies i keep telling. And all so blatent.
ad hominem ad hominem. Hey everyone - there has to be a ad hominem in here SOMEWHERE by the HFW definition of “someone said something that makes me unhappy therefore its an ad hominem”.but you may have to. Not for anything that you have done, but simply because of bad luck. The thing is, as long as you have an insurance policy, you ARE paying for it, and you are paying more than in a country with universal healthcare.
If America ridded itself of its medical regulations, the stranglehold of lawyers and insurance companies would die. Smokers pay more for their insurance anyway.
curious as to what you are referring to in terms of medical regulations. this term can refer to many things.
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personnaly, i hate the whole lot, alcohol, drugs, cigarettes etc. but i know that the weak minded couldnt live without their addictions, the government has no business regulating how you ruin your life, so im gonna have to say yes, legalize it, just make a law against using it in public places, i dont wanna smell that when im eating breakfast.
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Scientologists will tell you that it’s the case of their past lives wearing on them and their only escape is through illegal narcotics. At least, I think I have that right….I might be wrong about that, given I’m not a scientologist, but I’ve been researching them for personal knowledge. (I like to know what and who I’m talking about before I cry blasphemy and pagan. wink)
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i’m sorry, but how do you know this? i’m not even an orthopod, so i’m not sure how you know this would go on here. I think that prior to sending you to an orthopod your family doc/EMO would want to be assured that it is an orthopaedic injury. This is something that you would more likely be seen by a rheumatologist for. These people would not bounce you around so much, as their tests would be far more likely to have them consider referring you to an allergist if the problem was not something that they would pick up themselves.
Not one orthopedist saw any sign of allergy or “nerve damage”. Nerve tests they had administered shown no chance of nerve damage. The only man who admitted something was up that they could not even figure out was a physical therapist. Guessing I had a wheat allergy was a shot in the dark and luckily america has the proper labs to figure out my condition. if I had to get a lower grade blood testing showing in nothing, i would probably be in decades of pain. I resorted to giving my money to a lab and they found the problem. Such labs do no exist in Canada.
oh really? Is America the only country that produces chemicals/pharmaceuticals?
Certainly not only, but most.
Why then, is the US purchasing the flu shot from Canadian manufacturers?
That’s not true. America buys from American manufacturers as well (such as Chiron, which is American owned but made in great britain. Aventis, the only other flu vaccination company, is FRENCH, not canadian. Aventis has a factory in pennsylvania.
As for us “ripping off Americans” - i’m not sure how that is happening any more than Americans are ripping off Canadians. Keep in mind too that the largest pharma companies in the world are European and they fuel most of the innovative research in the world. Also there are many pharma companies that produce medications in Canada. (Keep in mind that i worked in the pharma industry for a few years - i know the inside of it quite well).
Wait, you blame America for ripping you off, but fail to explain how. Here’s the truth. the majority of drugs and manufacturers are american. I explained how with price ceilings in america, we are all screwed. They make, develop, and sell the most drugs. That’s the truth.
[quote[i don’t think so. Especially if i look at places north of us. Keep in mind too that nearly 90% of the population of Canada lives within 100 km of the US border - furthermore our most populated areas are well south of much of the US. I don’t see that this would contribute that much. [/quote]
your populated areas a well NORTH of the US.all the lies i keep telling. And all so blatent.
ad hominem ad hominem. Hey everyone - there has to be a ad hominem in here SOMEWHERE by the HFW definition of “someone said something that makes me unhappy therefore its an ad hominem”.Wait, you insult me instead of admitting I proved you wrong, because canada does not have a greater minority or immigrant population. Then every time I bring up the very definition of “ad hominem” you guys seems to fall back in your “slumber” and stop replying.
From dictionary.com: Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents’ motives.
You just made fun of my personal use of ad hominem (“personal consideration”) rather than the logic or reason in my argument (all of those statistics). So you just performed the very thing I supposedly accuse people of “too much.” Because of this, I consider myself right and you wrong, because you fail to prove otherwise.
curious as to what you are referring to in terms of medical regulations. this term can refer to many things.
all government controls on medicine.
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Not one orthopedist saw any sign of allergy or “nerve damage”. Nerve tests they had administered shown no chance of nerve damage. The only man who admitted something was up that they could not even figure out was a physical therapist. Guessing I had a wheat allergy was a shot in the dark and luckily america has the proper labs to figure out my condition. if I had to get a lower grade blood testing showing in nothing, i would probably be in decades of pain. I resorted to giving my money to a lab and they found the problem. Such labs do no exist in Canada.
i’m sorry - how do you know that we do not have these laboratories?
Also it seems increasingly to me that you should not have seen an orthopod at all.Why then, is the US purchasing the flu shot from Canadian manufacturers?
That’s not true. America buys from American manufacturers as well (such as Chiron, which is American owned but made in great britain. Aventis, the only other flu vaccination company, is FRENCH, not canadian. Aventis has a factory in pennsylvania.
it is true. i have the newspaper article in my recycling bin, and i referenced it in another thread. I think we supplied around 1.2 million doses of flu vaccine or so from a Canadian factory. You are wrong.
As for us “ripping off Americans” - i’m not sure how that is happening any more than Americans are ripping off Canadians. Keep in mind too that the largest pharma companies in the world are European and they fuel most of the innovative research in the world. Also there are many pharma companies that produce medications in Canada. (Keep in mind that i worked in the pharma industry for a few years - i know the inside of it quite well).
Wait, you blame America for ripping you off, but fail to explain how. Here’s the truth. the majority of drugs and manufacturers are american. I explained how with price ceilings in america, we are all screwed. They make, develop, and sell the most drugs. That’s the truth.
it was a general statement refering to your treatment of us with regards to softwood lumber, steal tarifs, beef, etc.
And the majority of manufacturers are European.
and i thought that you did not have price ceillings in America (we do have them in Canada)all the lies i keep telling. And all so blatent.
ad hominem ad hominem. Hey everyone - there has to be a ad hominem in here SOMEWHERE by the HFW definition of “someone said something that makes me unhappy therefore its an ad hominem”.Wait, you insult me instead of admitting I proved you wrong, because canada does not have a greater minority or immigrant population. Then every time I bring up the very definition of “ad hominem” you guys seems to fall back in your “slumber” and stop replying.[/quote[
why did you just ignore my stats refuting yours? You didn’t prove me wrong, you just ignored the work i did disproving you.From dictionary.com: Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents’ motives.
You just made fun of my personal use of ad hominem (“personal consideration”) rather than the logic or reason in my argument (all of those statistics). So you just performed the very thing I supposedly accuse people of “too much.” Because of this, I consider myself right and you wrong, because you fail to prove otherwise.
“You are an idiot” - insult.
“You are wrong because you are an idiot” - ad hominem.
“You are an idiot because you are wrong” - possibly inappropriate observation.
The thing is, you confuse “insult” with “ad hominem” and observations.curious as to what you are referring to in terms of medical regulations. this term can refer to many things.
all government controls on medicine.
the problem is that there are so many industry controls on medicine.
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i’m sorry - how do you know that we do not have these laboratories?
Also it seems increasingly to me that you should not have seen an orthopod at all.The method was recently invented in the year 2000 and enterolab, based in texas, are the only guys that do it as far as I know…on earth.
Furthermore, every single doctor reffered me to physical therapy and orthopedists. Most people don’t show gluten sensativity like I did/do. Therefore, I would have never recieved the help I needed.
it is true. i have the newspaper article in my recycling bin, and i referenced it in another thread. I think we supplied around 1.2 million doses of flu vaccine or so from a Canadian factory. You are wrong.
"The national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is working with Aventis Pasteur, the sole remaining manufacturer of flu vaccine for the United States, to ship Aventis’ remaining stocks to high-risk areas such as veterans’ hospitals, nursing homes, state health agencies and children’s vaccine programs.
Dr. Julie Gerberding, CDC director, said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” that 20 million doses will soon be available for seniors.
The shortage became apparent Oct. 5 with news that Chiron Corp.'s British vaccine plant had been shut down by health authorities. British health officials suspended the manufacturer’s license because of contamination.
Because Chiron is one of only two flu vaccine makers to produce the drug for the United States, consumers were left with only half of the expected 100 million doses for this season. "
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1098187018136340.xmlSo much flu vaccinations come from these companies where I already listed where there manufacturing comes from, I do not see how canada plays a role. Furthermore, if canada did truly send 1.2 million doses (about 1% of the vaccinations), it is a rare occurence in one year during a massive shortage. don’t delude yourself.
it was a general statement refering to your treatment of us with regards to softwood lumber, steal tarifs, beef, etc.
We are talking medicine.
And the majority of manufacturers are European.
and i thought that you did not have price ceillings in America (we do have them in Canada)I don’t think so, I’m 99% confident we do not. Majority is a strong word. Several drug manufacturers are in america, the second largest on earth being pfizer. America, being one country, produces the most drugs for one country. however, for the most in a continent, i do not have the numbers.
“You are an idiot” - insult.
“You are wrong because you are an idiot” - ad hominem.
“You are an idiot because you are wrong” - possibly inappropriate observation.
The thing is, you confuse “insult” with “ad hominem” and observations.What you do not seem to get is that ad hominem is not a simple “you are stupid” argument. Implying anything personal about the writer and not the premises of his argument is an ad hominem. Furthermore, “disproving” someone’s premise with vague references to my character or how I must be inherently wrong without reason are ad hominems.
Here is a philosophy link, don’t take my word for it: http://www.objectivethought.com/atheism/adhominems.html
Ad hominem means “attacking the person”. Here is a simple definition of this fallacy : “[t]he person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the argument itself” (Stephen’s Guide to Logical Fallacies).
An ad hominem can attack evidence from the two sides of reality, which are :
(1) interior (consciousness-driven)
(2) exterior (outside of consciousness) - anything that is related to the person that has nothing to do with the argumentThe difference here is critical : (2) can be conclusively disproven, but (1) cannot, by itself, be disproven. This is because the interior side of reality cannot be perceived by anyone else then the person whose interior is in question. Basically, the only evidence possible is the person’s word. This usually makes (1) usually open to disbelief by other people, because we usually want to impose the same standards of justification on interior evidence that we use on exterior evidence. But that is virtually impossible, that is, not with our current technology.
As explained on “argument from personal experience”, “[p]ersonal experience cannot be accepted as evidence of exterior entities, only interior ones”. But here the distinction is that someone attacking another about an interior fact does not try to provide evidence for exterior entities but rather tries to make an argument to attack the person’s intent or thought. Such an attack is impossible to support rationally since there is no way to disprove interior evidence in that respect.
the problem is that there are so many industry controls on medicine.
The main reason i do not wish to work in the US is because i do not wish to be subjected to the BS that HMO’s impose on their physicians.That is true. They are extremely regulated and so you have two inefficient bureaucracies (one corporate and one government) over one large government bureaucracy (as in canada). Ideally, you cut out all the middle men.
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