hmm……ok maybe too long. XD
To long, comrade.
Antarctic ozone hole biggest ever RECORDED…
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absurd would be to try and fill something made out of the missing binding between molecules that covers an area as big as a continent in several several several km height …… by shooting seran wrap into it? ;)
Janus, it is a huge hole (continental size fits well), and it’s not like we have some posts up there where we could stick something to. It’s not even that something material is missing up there (we have all the oxygen atoms we need, they just have the wrong molecular form).
We can wait though for those chemicals which split the ozone into 02 and 0 radicals to diffuse and lose their reactivity. Then the ozone concentration will recover, and it will be able to absorb the UV light and split itself by that and not by the chemicals. -
@F_alk:
absurd would be to try and fill something made out of the missing binding between molecules that covers an area as big as a continent in several several several km height …… by shooting seran wrap into it? ;)
Janus, it is a huge hole (continental size fits well), and it’s not like we have some posts up there where we could stick something to. It’s not even that something material is missing up there (we have all the oxygen atoms we need, they just have the wrong molecular form).
We can wait though for those chemicals which split the ozone into 02 and 0 radicals to diffuse and lose their reactivity. Then the ozone concentration will recover, and it will be able to absorb the UV light and split itself by that and not by the chemicals.what about some looseleaf papar and crazy glue? Maybe some fly paper as well? just something to keep the sun out until the hole fills in itself. Some really long ladders might help as well.
(less sarcastically - it would likely take an entire power plant to generate the power needed to produce enough O3 in order to plug something like that up. If it were mobile, however, that might be handy . . . ;)) -
just in case I was being completely sarcastic by suggesting seran wrap.
although……
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just in case I was being completely sarcastic by suggesting seran wrap.
although……
i got that
just antagonizing F_alk. -
well im onboard with that
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just keep picking on ESLs for not noticing finer nuances that are not otherwisely marked …
F_alk
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@Anonymous:
just keep picking on ESLs for not noticing finer nuances that are not otherwisely marked …
F_alk
Oh come on F_alk.
i mean really. Did you really think that people with access to a computer would consider it possible to physically plug up the gap in the earth’s ozone with saran wrap?
This is not an ESL thing - this is a “my goodness these USies must be really that stupid” thing.
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see, you as Canadian didn’t notice the humorous note in my above post :)….
just because there was no smiley whatseover …
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Everyone knows seran wrap wouldn’t work, what we need is duct tape. We need more Duct Tape!
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ah duct tape, is there anything it doesnt fix?
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At the risk of deviating from my deviant behavior of going off-topic, I’m going to veer on topic and say that I thought it wasn’t a hole per se, just an area, big though it may be, where the ozone is thinner.
That having been said:
My idea? Build a lightning cannon, shoot a few bolts up there, and presto! brand new ozone! :P
Did you really think that people with access to a computer would consider it possible to physically plug up the gap in the earth’s ozone with saran wrap?
Access to a computer don’t mean diddly squat. :roll:
Everyone knows seran wrap wouldn’t work, what we need is duct tape. We need more Duct Tape!
Yeah!
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@F_alk:
see, you as Canadian didn’t notice the humorous note in my above post :)….
yeah right. We’re not THAT naive . . . ;)
just because there was no smiley whatseover ….
and you might be right with the second :D:)
Of course i am. i’ve figured THAT out. -
I started to say that Canadians are just humorless but then I remembered Bob and Doug Macenzie…. Damn those guys are funny!
As for the Ozone, I say we alll just start learning to live under ground like mole people. Curse the sun!
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bigger? i have trouble believing that, as a recently heard a news report that its shrinking….
…conflicting reports suck :(
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As for the Ozone, I say we alll just start learning to live under ground like mole people. Curse the sun!
That’s what I said!
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Ok then how about we round up all the people who are so concerned about the Ozone and send them to antarctica to work at the new ozone factory.
Problem solved, what else you got!
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“Ozone depletion data” (in quotes for a reason)
has only existed for 15 years. The Earth has existed for 4.5 billion years.The basis for the “greenhouse” theory was based on data collected
by Nasa landings on Venus.I find it very difficult to beleive that Humams could be responsible for
global warming etc when the so called “causes” of it have only been around for 250 some odd years, (remember the earth is really, really old and has survived things like comets hitting it… etc,) Causes here being the industrial revolution.Let’s take California. The smog there is unbeleivable. Has the most stringent emission control requirement in the country stopped it?
No. Fixed it? No.Are there very dirty places on the earth spewing toxic filth all over the place?
Yes.Should they be cleaned up?
Yes definitely and the sooner the better. The Superfund
was created specifically for that reason. Can anyone tell me if the
origianl 200 some odd cleanup sights have all been cleared up?
Can our environmentalist friends guarentee that the Superfund is always spent on just the superfund?Should the US sign th Kyoto accord, when it would be the only
country that would be punished for violating it?
NFW.Why, in the Kyoto accords, aren’t China, India, Japan, Russia
and other former USSR countries, held to the same standard
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“Ozone depletion data” (in quotes for a reason)
has only existed for 15 years. The Earth has existed for 4.5 billion years.i held my first “talk” in high school on that topic more than 15 years ago.
I find it very difficult to beleive that Humams could be responsible for global warming etc when the so called “causes” of it have only been around for 250 some odd years, (remember the earth is really, really old and has survived things like comets hitting it… etc,) Causes here being the industrial revolution.
Well, we have done a lot of changes to the environment in that period, and for some we didn’t even need that much time.
None of those changes i am thinking of does have the impact of the ozone depletion though.
As well, are you sure you don’t mix up two topics here: ozone and global warming? They are different, with different results and outcomes.Let’s take California. The smog there is unbeleivable. Has the most stringent emission control requirement in the country stopped it?
No. Fixed it? No.How has the number of polluters evolved?
Even if each single polluter spits out only half the dirt, a doubled number makes that up.Can anyone tell me if the
origianl 200 some odd cleanup sights have all been cleared up?
Can our environmentalist friends guarentee that the Superfund is always spent on just the superfund?Can i place a bet that Janus will not complain that you use too many rethoric questions :) ;) ?
Should the US sign th Kyoto accord, when it would be the only
country that would be punished for violating it?
NFW.Why, in the Kyoto accords, aren’t China, India, Japan, Russia
and other former USSR countries, held to the same standard
as the US?They are. It’s not the former USSR countries fault (in this sense) that the USSR itself and all the industry in it broke down.
And the US would not be the only country that would be punished. Remember, you have lots of forests, and could buy yourself free of the need to reduce pollution.Whoever told you the above cleary is against the Kyoto protocol and wants you to believe him. Do it if you want, but then answer me who is the bigger fool: the fool or the one that follows that fool.
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Both of 'em are fools! :)
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speak for me again falk, and ill cut you :wink:
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