Thanks! Having a great time, and learning, so…
Should Germany take Egypt first turn?
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I attack the Egypt the same as captainjack, and there are two things I have noticed. In most battles after round 1 you have a good idea which way it is headed. This means taking the transported infantry and armor as casualties and retreating the Libyan forces is always an option if things do not look good. I know what the odds calculators say but I would say that I have seen Germany win this probably a bit over half the time, and interestingly enough when Germany wins probably 90% of those times it has 2 armor left. Which is no where near what the odds show to be the expected results.
To me Egypt is worth taking a crack at. If I win great. If I don’t it isn’t the end of the world. If the UK does manage to sink the Italian navy that also is not the end of the world either.
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I attack the Egypt the same as captainjack, and there are two things I have noticed. In most battles after round 1 you have a good idea which way it is headed. This means taking the transported infantry and armor as casualties and retreating the Libyan forces is always an option if things do not look good. I know what the odds calculators say but I would say that I have seen Germany win this probably a bit over half the time, and interestingly enough when Germany wins probably 90% of those times it has 2 armor left. Which is no where near what the odds show to be the expected results.
To me Egypt is worth taking a crack at. If I win great. If I don’t it isn’t the end of the world. If the UK does manage to sink the Italian navy that also is not the end of the world either.
I am coming to think that’s a wise move too.
I prefer to take out the UK fleet in sz2 with the bomber G1. This allows the G1 5 tank buy to be acceptable as UK can not really try to take France and if they do, there navy would likely lost as well. Actually, France is like cheese to the mouse…. bait :)
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YES
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I attack the Egypt the same as captainjack, and there are two things I have noticed. In most battles after round 1 you have a good idea which way it is headed. This means taking the transported infantry and armor as casualties and retreating the Libyan forces is always an option if things do not look good. I know what the odds calculators say but I would say that I have seen Germany win this probably a bit over half the time, and interestingly enough when Germany wins probably 90% of those times it has 2 armor left. Which is no where near what the odds show to be the expected results.
To me Egypt is worth taking a crack at. If I win great. If I don’t it isn’t the end of the world. If the UK does manage to sink the Italian navy that also is not the end of the world either.
Yeah, that’s similiar to my results also; of the times I’ve won Egypt as Germany in round 1 I’ve had 1 tank left about half of the time and 2 tanks left the other half of the times.
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I think the point is, Germany should always ATTEMPT Egypt, especially since you can retreat from an amphibious assault now. (Not the units coming by transport, but the rest can and that makes life easier on all fronts!)
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hm, what u guys think… is a factory in egypt for italy a good idea?
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A factory in Egypt for England seems to be working out nicely.
If Italy is strong enough to afford a complex in Egypt, the game is pretty much lost anyway.
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That is assuming that England is even in possession of Egypt, which this thread hopefully has limited the chances of. Being a British player primarily, I would not dare make a complex in Egypt, it is much to close to Italy and Southern Europe, and it only has 2 ipc’s, so South Africa has the same benefits without the risks, I’d throw on there instead of risking losing Egypt to the Italians anyday, for what happens when the Italians take Egypt? You might as well give up dreams of holding Africa.
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If Egypt was not attacked on Germany 1, then Egypt IS in England’s hands on Round 1. (And it should have 4 infantry, artillery, armor, fighter and bomber on it at least. Which should be plenty to thwart Italy from taking it.)
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Sure it would be in the possession of the U.K. on turn 1, but where do all those pieces come from (besides the planes, I know where they would come from), assuming that the Germans did attack on their turn? Even if the British survived that attack I doubt they’d have all the troops you say, unless they sacrificed India to bolster Egypt.
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They start with 2 Inf, 1 Art, 1 Arm, 1 Ftr in Egypt. If Germany doesnt attack, the Brits can move in 2 Inf from Trans-Jordan. The bomber, I assume, would be a survivor of the Brit attack on the Italian fleet (assuming the CA/DD off Gibraltar werent sunk and the Brits made that attack). Other than that, I dont know why you would want the bomber in there).
If, for whatever reason, the Japanese dont kill the TR/DD off India, then the Brits can reinforce from there (obviously at the cost of India). Personally as Britain, if the Germans attack and fail, I evacuate the Fighter to India (assuming its obvious I cant hold off Italy). If the Germans dont attack, then I reinforce from T-J only (I dont weaken India). If Egypt is not attacked by Germany, then I’ll tend to drop the IC in South Africa. If it does fall, then it depends on the rest of the global situation.
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hm i was talking about an italian complex in egypt, bought on IT2 ;) here is what happend.
in a KIF game, G1 took egypt. so yes axis did get italy its 2nd NO and 20+ IPC for one or two rounds but it dindt help. IT was SBRed so heavily there was no point in repairing factory damage. he was basically down to purtchasing 2-3 inf a turn… and with italian navy sunk at round 4 or 5 only a defesive tool for germany ( africa retaken by allies at that point.)
so we have come to the conclusion that italy really needs an IC in egypt to be of any help to germany. by the time allies have taken egypt and the IC , japan will be there to enter land war against US in africa. an IC really commits one of UK/US to really fight for africa or UK goes under 20 IPC… this gains time for japan to reach the european theatre, this takes pressure of germany.
if G1 takes egypt, italy can only shuffle about 6 -10 units over to africa before his navy is sunk. plus he cant really produce in italy cuz he needs to repair factory damage.
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