@andrewaagamer
Ah. I hadn’t understood that subtlety. It’s a bit like assuming that, as an attacker, I’m going to win - so, retreat isn’t an option. Thanks a lot for your help.
After Action Reports
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Stoob,
You aren’t the only one. Based on the first 50 games played, the Axis winning margin has been 62%. Hopefully this will start to change now that better Allied strategies have been developed and players are learning to work in unison. But if it doesn’t, we’re in trouble.
TSS,
German began DOUBLE assault on London & Moscow and sucessfully taken both! London was taken by fleets with transport from both sz 5 and sz 12 with bomber carrying paratrooper. On Russian side, German pushed 3 tanks, 1 artillery, 1 infantry, 4 fighter, 1 bomber with paratrooper into Moscow, sacrificing its fighters to keep alive the land units. Too happy & forgot to retake France. Total IPC end of turn is 130+.
Twin assault. Haha. Haven’t seen that before. I guess paratroopers can have a dramatic effect on the game ;)
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Name: Total Confused War (1941)
Date: February 15, 2009
Game Length: 5 or 6 turns.
Special Rules: Tech
Bias: Me (I’ve played more games), first game as Allies. Close friend was playing Axis (first in AA50).Description:
Germany Attacks Russia making major headway with thier troops, eventually gaining Mechanized Infantry. They created problems for the USA when they hopped into Brazil and the West Indies.
Russia turtles. Trades a few territories with Germany to make back IPCs. Eventaully, the Japanese break though Byuratia late in the game. Last turn, they sent some troops to retake India and other British colonial possessions.
The Japanese come to dominate the Pacific, except for the Philippines. They get Improved Shipyards which put them farther ahead. They ended the game with a massive fleet on the coast of the USA, facing 15 US infantry. Built IC in east Indies to At end of the game most of the Pacific was empty besides in the Japanese homeland and some in China.
UK buys IC in SA and reinforces Britain and SBRs Berlin for most of the game. The UK invaded North Africa with USA in the middle of the game. The UK ended up taking both Rome and Berlin by the end of the game. They also invaded France later in the game. They obliterated Italy’s fleet. They get Hvy Bombers and Radar. They ended the game with 87 IPCs to spend.
Italy made no real contribution to this game. They could not make any headway in Once the UK invaded Rome they were a moot point.
The US got both Jet Fighers and Long Range Bombers. They constructed an IC in the Philippines and pumped out fighters to harass Japanese troops all along the coast of China. They sent bombers to the UK to SBR Berlin. Their fleet was subsequently destroyed by the Japanese fleet and led to them building a huge stack of infantry on the West Coast.
The game looked very gloomy for the Allies at the end of the game. While the UK was tooling on Germany and Italy, the Russians were getting slowly strangled by the German advance. The United States was dealing with a massive Japanese fleet, but the base in the Philippines was prepared to strike back at the Japanese empire in the South Pacific. I believe that the Axis were going to win, mainly because of Japan’s domination of the Pacific, but my opponent believes it was the other way around.
Observations:
IC in South Africa was key to intimidating the Axis to not invading Africa. It stopped the Italians from making any headway at all. SBRs with Heavy bombers are pretty intimidating except that all SBR roles ended up being 1’s or 2’s on both sides. The fighter base in the Philippines was very convenient to deal with Japanese troops on the mainland. -
Title: USA make up your mind! , 1941
Date: 13.02.09Rules: NOs yes. no tech or optional faqs.
Victor: Axis. Japan takes Russia
Lenght: 18:00 PM till 6:00 AM :|
Bias: our standard 3 player round( all around tenish games ). last time i got to play germany. what a relief :D
Description: G set up Karelia for round 2. Uk landings in Norway. USA split in the ozeans. tried to sub -sink italian fleet. Japan thought cool idea. J3 lots of subs scattered around hawaii, pushing USA out of pacific> so we go KGF. Germany was prepared for this. in the end Jap 38 arm, 3 bmb, 8 ftr( 3 lost to AA) 14 inf and one art!!! in caucasus attacking russia and taking it. unexpexted, but even if russia would have held, germany would have been in range. even though germany was hard pressed in defense ( down to 30 IPC somewhere around 3 am) and russia did grab its 10 IPC bonus twice, axis recovered ( jap planes, thank you lord :D)
Observations :imho:
- USA cant split. if he goes pacific, every single IPC is needed there…
-sub “wolfsrudel” work great in pacific, but not in atlantic, too narrow.
-micromanagment of allied( USA) naval operations once again not optimal. axis can afford such “slow down” mistakes, allies cant in the first few rounds.
-yes 12 hours is more than 12 rounds :roll:
ps. correct. :-)
- USA cant split. if he goes pacific, every single IPC is needed there…
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Hey guys, try to follow the formatting guidelines as closely as possible. This isn’t aimed squarly at you guys, but to everyone in general. It makes my life easier as well as everyone following this thread. Here’s the format.
Format
Title: MUST include Scenario played
Date:
Special Rules: Important
Victor: VERY Important
Game Length:
Bias: ImportantThanks!
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Hey, just wanted to do an after-action report before I forgot. The same group played a 1941 game last week, but since that was a week ago, I might get some of details wrong so I won’t talk about that (though, Allies won).
Title: Fascism wins the day! 1941
Date: February 16, 2009
Special Rules: Both Tech and National Objectives were used
Victor: Axis won by player concession. Axis had control of 13 cities, but it was quite clear that it was only a matter of time before the rest of the world fell.
Game Length: 8 hours. About 8 or 9 rounds. Sort of lost track there.
Bias: About equal. Germany/Italy and UK had the stronger players of about equal skill with US/Russia and Japan had the weaker partners.
Description: After realizing that the Axis wasn’t aggressive enough in the game we played last week, the Axis amped up its aggression in the initial round throwing the Allies off-balance and never allowing them to regroup (Japan used a first round strategy straight out of these forums). Good die rolls (especially in Axis tech research) helped the Axis stay on the offensive. Eventually, all of Africa fell to the Italy/Germany and Japan conquered China and was marching a small force through Russia’s back door, though that was eventually stopped by a squad of UK bombers. Still, Moscow was on the verge of falling and Russia had only 2 infantry and a submarine when we decided to call it quits. The UK and US weren’t under immediate threat, but it was obvious that over time, they would fall too.
Observations/Recommendations: As luck would have it, both Germany and the UK got both heavy bombers and long-range air in the tech which was a huge development. The UK managed to make better use this than Germany, but only because it had a bigger air fleet. But this also meant that neither Germany or the UK could invade each other. As soon as a fleet was built to transport land units for an invasion, it was utterly obliterated by the other side’s bombers. As such, both Britain and continental Europe were virtually impregnable, but since the UK was more or less stuck on an island, Germany/Italy could wipe out Africa and concentrate on the Soviet Union which eventually succumbed to the attacks. Meanwhile, Japan and the U.S. fought over Iwo Jima several times while the rest of the Japanese fleet conquered the rest of the Pacific and a couple land units controlled most of eastern Asia. At the end, Japan had virtually no army in Asia, but a huge swath of territory allowing it to be the biggest economic power in the game by far. I (I was the U.K.) suspected that the Axis would probably win by the end of the third turn, but it took a few more turns before it was completely obvious. -
Format
Title: 1941, Classic Axis Sandwich USSR
Date: 2/16/2009
Special Rules: NO and tech allowed
Victor: axis(ME)
Game Length: 9 hours
Bias: US player took lots of pills that morning and didn’t seem to coherent, although experienced in A&A classic, Axis player had no prior experience with version(including paying 8 IPCs for all his subs and transports)
Description:
Axis went all out on first turns then got some lucky rolls. Japan survived the pearl harbor counterattack with a carrier and fighter allowing for complete Pacific freedom for the rest of the game. After round 1, Germany still had most its air-force, and two subs, while allies had little or no Atlantic presence. The only thing that stopped a German sea fleet, was UK mass producing aircraft. USSR turn three proved crucial as Germany repulsed an all out attack putting USSR on its heels until the finish. Italy went unchallenged in Africa. US was too slow to hit Europe and UK took too long building sea fleet back. It may sound like Allies were dumb, but USSR took a long time to kill, and UK held Japan at India for a long time as well. Also, Allies invested heavily in tech. UK got super subs :), and US had bad rolls, and USSR got Mechanized infantry when it didn’t have any armor left. -
ta for that, should lay off the scotch. previous post edited for the truth factor haha
Good God man!! Hold on to that glass of scotch, I would immediately cut out the use of the optional Carrier Island Rule if I thought for one minute, it would cause the loss of one drop of scotch.
I will need to ponder this delimma, with several glasses of whiskey.
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ta for that, should lay off the scotch. previous post edited for the truth factor haha
Good God man!! Hold on to that glass of scotch, I would immediately cut out the use of the optional Carrier Island Rule if I thought for one minute, it would cause the loss of one drop of scotch.
I will need to ponder this delimma, with several glasses of whiskey.
haha, fair call. +1 karma
and sorry for de-railing your thread Moses :-P
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Title: The Bear was more like The Bunny
Date: February 17th, 2009
Special Rules: NO’s + Tech (no one bought)
Victor: Axis Victory by Concession/Projection
Game Length: 7 Hrs. Concession Round 5!
Bias: 4 players, 1 new to AA50. I (3 games) played Germany , two (2 games) took the allies, smart rookie took Japan.
Description:
Allies: Not organized. England and US started off balanced, then tried KGF. Too late, Russia was behind early and needed to defend Capitol and Caucus from 3 columns. Allies bought aggressive, but slow-played.
Axis: Japan stayed after the complex built in India, Russia could only offer limited support. Japan took over some Russia, India and island hopped. America did not invest early enough and was stacking up a stalemate in the Pacific. Germany literally set the pace, Japan right behind. Germany took Russia on Round 4. Okay, they had a huge victory in Karelia. Italy never had any opposition and played an important role in making all this happen.
Observations/Recommendations:
Everyone was totally intense. The first three rounds seemed to fly for the Axis. And the money, OMG, Germany collected 57 round 2. Japan was nearing 50 at round 3. US has got to do something substantial Round 2.
Russia can not purchase all tanks the first two rounds, they need total units. England should’ve scrapped the factory in India and invested heavily against Germany, by the time England and US got into France, Germany took the Russian Capitol. Say what you want about KGF or KIF, if the US is going to take on Japan, England needs total commitment vs. Germany.
Oh, and there was a 45 minute argument about Submarines. Got it worked out, thanks Krieghund! -
Looks like the Axis are rolling again. :roll:
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yeah, but its imho easier for the axis in the first 10 games you play. allies require precise tactical micromanagment that fits in strategic balance. axis can mess around more… im still not convinced either side has an advantage.
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The money! The money! Axis have more :-P!
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From a big picture view, the game really comes down to UK and Russia vs. Germany and Italy. And Japan vs. USA.
Japan > USA
Germany-Italy ??? UK-Russia
What makes the game so difficult for the Allies is that I’m not convinced UK and Russia combined can take down Germany and Italy. Germany is very strong in 1941. UK is strong too in 1941 and Russia does what it always does. Where the game comes down to is Italy. Italy is the wildcard. And with NOs, Italy grows too strong too quickly.
The main alternative is:
Germany-Italy < USA, Russia, UK (KGF)
This is the strategy most players are familiar with. But by leaving Japan unchecked, can the Allies win the game? I’m not sure about this yet.
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My friends and I are conventional in our play. We passed over AAR, playing only a couple games, and now we’re big on AA50. We usually do not buy tech dice, unless a nation can afford the risk. At the start of the game, it still is not attractive enough to waste not buying units all out.
To me, this game is about tempo, just like chess. The Axis start out with it and the Allies need to come up with a big push early. I’ve seen US stack up Transports for a Euro-landing round 3 or 4. Germany can’t wait to pin Russia down by then. To me, the US and England need to get everything they can going on Round 2. I know this is risky, but then so is throwing everything at Russia for the Germans.
Taking Italy before France is viable depending on the board, but it’s also a big waiting move (tempo loss) seeing that it doesn’t really effect Germany financially.
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It’s a good analisys, TGMoses, specially with that sneaky italians creating mess all places and disrupting soviet blockings. I’ll add:
- UK and USSR cannot face western axis alone: they need some USA aid
- USA cannot face Japan alone: they need chinese aid (China? :roll:), UK aid (from were?, play 1942 or Revised) or soviet aid (Moscow is too far)
So KJF is not a viable move as it was in Revised
But the triple against west axis (KGF) is not even possible of do if Japan focuses in USA instead of running after soviets. KGF is only possible if Japan decides let allies do it, making KGF is leaving all the initiative to axis. Polar Express is too powerful with a Japan that starts with 5 trannies and colects much more than USA. Also, the old trick of annoying Japan with soviet tanks and some infs here and there (in case of Polar Express) is ended becuase those buffer zones called China and Siberia (both much larger than in Revised). And a JTDTM is still too powerful because the southern path by India is not much more large than in Revised
I think allies can win only with poor axis playing that involves:
- Not killing China J1
- Not attacking Egypt (or UK BB) G1
- Not focusing on kar 1st rounds as germans
- Not fighting for Africa and Mediterranean with Italians
- Trading France :-P
I think you can even do one of them and still win easily. I think 2 or 3 of them can start giving allies a chance, but probably it’s better if axis make all the 5 mistakes
By now, the only thing allies can try without axis mercy is try kill the italian fleet as soon as possible, but it’s costly if Italy buys enough boats. Only when italian navy is dead can allies really start trying landings in Europe
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My friends and I are conventional in our play. We passed over AAR, playing only a couple games, and now we’re big on AA50. We usually do not buy tech dice, unless a nation can afford the risk. At the start of the game, it still is not attractive enough to waste not buying units all out.
To me, this game is about tempo, just like chess. The Axis start out with it and the Allies need to come up with a big push early. I’ve seen US stack up Transports for a Euro-landing round 3 or 4. Germany can’t wait to pin Russia down by then. To me, the US and England need to get everything they can going on Round 2. I know this is risky, but then so is throwing everything at Russia for the Germans.
Taking Italy before France is viable depending on the board, but it’s also a big waiting move (tempo loss) seeing that it doesn’t really effect Germany financially.
Finally. Someone who uses the phase “tempo” correctly. :wink:
- USA cannot face Japan alone: they need chinese aid (China? rolleyes), UK aid (from were?, play 1942 or Revised) or soviet aid (Moscow is too far)
So KJF is not a viable move as it was in Revised
Several other reasons why KJF does not work:
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Russia can’t do anything meaningful. The stretched Siberian front works both ways. The most Russia can do is send troops through China.
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Japan goes before UK. This is HUGE. The Allies cannot dogpile Japan Rd1. And provided Japan knows ahead of time that the Allies will be pursuing some kind of Pacific first strategy, they can put themselves in good position to attack India J2.
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The Axis make more money - especially Japan. By virtue this makes any KJF strategy more difficult to employ
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Japan starts the game with too much beef. USA has to wait until at least USA2 (assuming all naval builds early) to match Japan’s starting navy
- Planes! Japan, I feel has, too many planes in 1941. This means they can stymie most Allied counterattacks.
By now, the only thing allies can try without axis mercy is try kill the italian fleet as soon as possible, but it’s costly if Italy buys enough boats. Only when italian navy is dead can allies really start trying landings in Europe
I agree. Stunting Italy’s growth may be the Allies best way of dealing with the Axis.
Perhaps USA focuses on keeping liberating Africa, while UK bombs Italy’s navy?
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USA subs early keeps Japan consolidated, makes her buy some DD’s. Slows her growth at a minimal cost to USA. USA can help in africa, but I have been toying with a way to eliminate the Italian fleet on UK 2, regardless of what the axis do unless they take AES G1… but then the UK SZ2 fleet would live and be a pest that way.
Germany needs to pick her poison (sz2 or AES). I am still not sure which is worse?
Many contend a softening of AES is enough, but I am not so sure.The key to the axis (early) is Italy, if she can get going, it will be an uphill battle for the allies.
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Great minds think alike. :-D
I also had the same strategy in mind.This involves USA keeping Japan off balance by sending subs to the Pacific. It isn’t a full fleet, but forces Japan to extend. Secondly, USA must liberate Africa at all cost. Morocco is closer to USA than France. UK has the dual role of harassing Axis industry and navy, while also striking Germany where she’s weakest. Russia does what she always does.
I haven’t thought of a guaranteed way to sink Italy’s navy UK2. How’s that been working for you?
Yes, Italy is the key to the game. An invasion of the boot is far fetched. But we must focus on containing her.
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but I have been toying with a way to eliminate the Italian fleet on UK 2, regardless of what the axis do unless they take AES G1… but then the UK SZ2 fleet would live and be a pest that way.
Germany needs to pick her poison (sz2 or AES). I am still not sure which is worse?
Many contend a softening of AES is enough, but I am not so sure.The key to the axis (early) is Italy, if she can get going, it will be an uphill battle for the allies.
The UK 1 bomber build works very well. I’ve done it twice and I was extremely satisfied with the results. The problem that arises is that when Germany uses the bomber in sz2(instead of Egypt) and clears sz12 the UK can have a hard time getting it’s navy off the ground early if Germany builds at least 1 aircraft every turn because the UK will begin to rapidly lose income and with such a big head start by the German air force the US will have to bolster the UK fleet.
As a trade off, I like it. Nothing hurts the Axis more than losing the Italian fleet before they can really do any damage in Africa.
Couple that with the UK using it’s remaining bombers(after sinking the Italian fleet) to raid the Italian factory with the US picking up the slack as the UK bombers fall to AA and Italy will have a hard enough time defending itself let alone helping Germany against Russia.
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but I have been toying with a way to eliminate the Italian fleet on UK 2, regardless of what the axis do unless they take AES G1… but then the UK SZ2 fleet would live and be a pest that way.
Germany needs to pick her poison (sz2 or AES). I am still not sure which is worse?
Many contend a softening of AES is enough, but I am not so sure.The key to the axis (early) is Italy, if she can get going, it will be an uphill battle for the allies.
The UK 1 bomber build works very well. I’ve done it twice and I was extremely satisfied with the results. The problem that arises is that when Germany uses the bomber in sz2(instead of Egypt) and clears sz12 the UK can have a hard time getting it’s navy off the ground early if Germany builds at least 1 aircraft every turn because the UK will begin to rapidly lose income and with such a big head start by the German air force the US will have to bolster the UK fleet.
As a trade off, I like it. Nothing hurts the Axis more than losing the Italian fleet before they can really do any damage in Africa.
Couple that with the UK using it’s remaining bombers(after sinking the Italian fleet) to raid the Italian factory with the US picking up the slack as the UK bombers fall to AA and Italy will have a hard enough time defending itself let alone helping Germany against Russia.
I totally agree with you, especially regarding the trade off (sink one navy before building your own)
My one tweak on the UK2 attack on the Italian navy involves Gibralter as a staging area for the UK ftrs on UK1. Not a ground breaking strategy as I know others have employed that as a base. I believe our play group will be leaning towards a G1 IC buy in France as it allows a Germany navy build G2 to help keep the Italian navy on top of the water instead of below it. However, I think that cost will be hard for Germany to bear as it would be $15 G1 and most likely at least $14 (a/c) G2 to save the Med Axis navy in SZ13.
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