Classic 2nd edition, CrazyIvan (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), RR no bid regular dice, Game 2

  • '19

    Crosses fingers!

  • '19

    Testing Forum poster

    Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 1.9, time: 7:29:00 AM
    Savegame

  • '19

    TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Yakut S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R.
            4 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 submarine moved from Karelia Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from Karelia Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Persia
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 armour moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Persia
            1 armour moved from Russia to Persia
            1 armour moved from Russia to Persia
            1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Novosibirsk
    
        Combat - Russians
            Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttachment attached to Russians
            Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionType to disallowed for rulesAttachment attached to Russians
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
    
        Place Units - Russians
            8 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Savegame

  • '19

    Ok, so let’s see if I have at least gotten the bugs worked out of creating game threads in the right folder, and corrected the mistakes made in the game setup window. 🙂

  • '19

    Just as a double check, here is what the creation window looked like:

    And I’m hoping to at least get a proper game created this time. 🙂


  • Well done. I’m happy to play another game, just give me a couple days to get some smaller monkeys off my back and I’ll be ready to throw down.

    I look forward to being able to record the dice rolls for this game.

  • '19

    OK, sounds good. I’m especially interested to discuss my latest thoughts on how to get classic ‘back on the menu’, as it were, and I think I may have a way to bring balance to the game in a way that doesn’t totally break it in the process. I know you are leaning towards the whole RR thing, and I’m good playing with that optional rule for your test games, but I feel that that still doesn’t address some issues/concerns that I have, and also that removing their ability to ‘dish some out’ entirely kinda breaks the game.

    Before I go there, though, I want to have the allies down pat, and honestly, I think that I’ll need several games to get myself into the groove, and so hope to make a habit of playing the allies to your axis regularly for the next several days/weeks. 🙂


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 5 armour and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            2 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from East Europe to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Finland Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 armour moved from South Europe to Karelia S.S.R.
            2 armour moved from Germany to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 bomber moved from Germany to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 fighter moved from West Europe to Karelia S.S.R.
            2 infantry moved from Germany to Baltic Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R.
            2 infantry moved from South Europe to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Black Sea Zone to Caucasus
            1 battleship moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from West Spain Sea Zone to East Canada Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to French West Africa
                  Germans take French West Africa from British
            1 armour moved from Libya to Congo
                  Germans take French Equatorial Africa from British
                  Germans take Congo from British
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in East Canada Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in East Canada Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in East Canada Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in Caucasus
                Germans attack with 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Caucasus
                Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Karelia S.S.R.
                Germans attack with 7 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 11 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 18 infantry
                    AA fire in Karelia S.S.R. : 2/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R.
                    Germans roll dice for 7 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 11 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 8/22 hits, 7.50 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 18 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 7/20 hits, 7.33 expected hits
                    8 infantry owned by the Russians and 7 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R.
                    Germans roll dice for 7 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 4 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 3 : 8/15 hits, 6.33 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 10 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 3 : 5/12 hits, 4.67 expected hits
                    8 infantry owned by the Russians, 4 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R.
                    Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Karelia S.S.R., round 4 : 4/10 hits, 5.17 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 4 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 fighters owned by the Russians and 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R.
                Germans win, taking Karelia S.S.R. from Russians with 4 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 3 armour, 2 fighters and 11 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 fighters and 18 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Germany
            2 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to East Europe
            2 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe
            1 bomber moved from Karelia S.S.R. to East Europe
            2 armour moved from West Europe to East Europe
            1 infantry moved from West Europe to Germany
            1 aaGun moved from South Europe to East Europe
            1 aaGun moved from West Europe to South Europe
            1 infantry moved from Libya to French Equatorial Africa
    
        Place Units - Germans
            5 armour and 2 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 42 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans : 2.00
    AA fire in Karelia S.S.R. : : 1.00
    Russians : -0.33
    

    Savegame

  • '19

    I’m still having some issues, it seems.

  • '19

    Ok, so I was attempting to play around using the TripleA engine, with our game, and run through several turns of different ideas. I didn’t save/post any turns, as I was just trying out some ideas, and I couldn’t actually get to the USA 1 turn without having the Japanese do nothing on J1, so I just wanted to playtest some stuff out, but it looks like I cannot playtest a game without generating actual dice server emails.

    Not sure if this is because I loaded up a PBF save game, in PBF mode, and then playtested it, or should have loaded it up as a local game in order to playtest it, or if there is some other way to playtest a given position, without it triggering dice server roll emails.

    I’m ok with the playtest results if you want me to use those dice rolls, but I don’t have a save game file from that stage. I ran up to R3 in my playtest, IIRC, but the dice server emails seem to have only covered my B1 turn.

    I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be a problem, I’m just having trouble figuring things out. So I should probably ask the following questions:

    1. When playing a PBF game, is there a way to playtest out different options/ideas, without triggering dice server emails in the process?

    2. If you do playtest out several turns ahead, is there a way to go back and just save the game at the point where you should have saved it as an actual turn?

    Because right now, when I tried to go back and recreate B1, I tried to just walk the game to the end of the B1 turn, and save at that point, thinking that even though I had not actually been sure I wanted to go that route, that was the closest I was going to be able to come to a legit B1. Unfortunately, the autosave file is from B2 or B3, which is where I had playtested too until called away, and when I returned, that is when I discovered the playtesting had in fact triggered server dice roll emails for my B1 runthrough.

  • '19

    Actually, now that I’m looking at it, every allied turn in round 1 seems to have generated dice rolls, including B2, and the taking of western europe. I keep having throbbing, pulsating pain in my right eye, and it is coming and going for the last several hours.


  • @CrazyIvan I’ve made this mistake before. The trick to playtesting your turn without reporting is to “Start Local Game” after you download the most recent file. Then you can roll away to your hearts content and it wont saturate my inbox haha.

    As to what is going on with your game, I’m not sure. You might want to ask the forum vets to help you out. I’m not a AAA expert I’m sorry to say.

    I’d prefer that you complete B1 followed by an immediate post die roll post of your turn. I haven’t looked at the rolls and my vote is to just redo B1 and submit successfully, then we’ll count it.

  • '19

    TripleA Turn Summary: British round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 carrier, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
                    AA fire in East Europe : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Black Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from West Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Baltic Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Algeria
                  British take Libya from Germans
                  British take Algeria from Germans
            2 infantry moved from India to Indian Ocean Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Indian Ocean Sea Zone to Red Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Red Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Syria Jordan to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 infantry moved from South Africa to Kenya-Rhodesia
            1 armour moved from East Canada to West Canada
            2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway
                  British take Finland Norway from Germans
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in Baltic Sea Zone
                British attack with 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 submarine and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Baltic Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 6 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Baltic Sea Zone
                British win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine and 1 transport
            Battle in Black Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber and 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in Black Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 bomber in Black Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 transport in Black Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                    1 battleship owned by the Germans and 1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Black Sea Zone
                British win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 1 transport
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            2 fighters moved from Baltic Sea Zone to Russia
            1 fighter moved from India to Russia
            1 bomber moved from Black Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt
    
        Place Units - British
            1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 carrier and 1 transport placed in North Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 31 PUs; end with 32 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans : -1.67
    British : -1.67
    AA fire in East Europe : : -0.17
    

    Savegame

  • '19

    Alright! And sorry for all the problems. Let me hit that real quick.

  • '19

    Alright! Got that turn done, AND properly posted, back to Japan for their J!.

    10:21pm, June 4th.


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Japanese
            3 infantry moved from Manchuria to China
            2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to China
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to India
                  Japanese take India from British
            1 fighter moved from French Indo China to China
            1 fighter moved from Manchuria to China
            1 fighter moved from Japan to China
            1 bomber moved from Japan to China
    
        Combat - Japanese
            Battle in China
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry in China, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in China, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in China
                Japanese win, taking China from Americans with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Japanese
            3 fighters moved from China to Manchuria
            1 bomber moved from China to Manchuria
            1 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Japan Sea Zone to Okinawa Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to Okinawa Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Okinawa Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria
            1 infantry moved from Philippines to Philippines Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Philippines Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Japan Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
    
        Place Units - Japanese
            3 transports placed in Japan Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 30 PUs; end with 31 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Americans : 0.67
    Japanese : 1.00
    

    Savegame

  • '19

    TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 infantry and 4 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from West US to East Canada Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from East US to East Canada Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from East US to East US Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from East US Sea Zone to West Spain Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from West Spain Sea Zone to West Europe
            1 bomber moved from East US to West Europe
    
        Combat - Americans
            Battle in West Europe
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in West Europe
                Americans win, taking West Europe from Germans with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in East Canada Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans roll dice for 2 fighters in East Canada Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in East Canada Sea Zone
                Americans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 fighters moved from East Canada Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from East US to East Canada
            2 infantry moved from West US to West Canada
            1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 submarine moved from Hawaii Sea Zone to West US Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from West Europe to United Kingdom
    
        Place Units - Americans
            4 submarines placed in West US Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in West US
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 41 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans : -0.33
    Americans : 0.00
    

    Savegame

  • '19

    TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 2

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

    Game History

    Round: 2
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            3 armour moved from Persia to India
            1 infantry moved from Persia to India
            1 armour moved from Novosibirsk to India
    
        Combat - Russians
            Battle in India
                Russians attack with 4 armour and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 4 armour and 1 infantry in India, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in India, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in India
                Russians win, taking India from Japanese with 4 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
            6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R.
    
        Place Units - Russians
            8 infantry placed in Russia
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Russians : -0.17
    Japanese : -0.33
    

    Savegame

  • '19

    Almost forgot to do the Russians 2.
    12:46 am, June 6th.


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

    Game History

    Round: 2
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe
            1 armour moved from Germany to West Europe
            4 armour moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Russia
            2 fighters moved from East Europe to Russia
            1 bomber moved from East Europe to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Russia
            2 armour moved from East Europe to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in West Europe
                Germans attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry
                Americans defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in West Europe, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in West Europe, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in West Europe
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in West Europe, round 4 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in West Europe, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in West Europe
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in West Europe, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in West Europe, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in West Europe
                Germans win, taking West Europe from Americans with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Russia
                Germans attack with 6 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 infantry
                British defend with 3 fighters; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 factory and 8 infantry
                    AA fire in Russia : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 9/12 hits, 5.50 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 3 fighters and 8 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 4.67 expected hits
                    8 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 infantry owned by the Germans, 2 armour owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Russia, round 3 : 6/8 hits, 4.17 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters in Russia, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    2 armour owned by the Germans and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in Russia
                Germans captures 18PUs while taking Russians capital
                Germans win, taking Russia from Russians with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34
                Casualties for Germans: 4 armour and 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 3 fighters
                Casualties for Russians: 8 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 armour moved from Congo to French West Africa
            1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to French West Africa
            1 aaGun moved from South Europe to West Europe
            1 aaGun moved from East Europe to South Europe
            2 infantry moved from East Europe to Karelia S.S.R.
            3 fighters moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Germany
    
        Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
            4 infantry placed in South Europe
            7 infantry placed in Germany
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 1 armour
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Karelia S.S.R.: 1 armour
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 63 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans : 3.83
    AA fire in Russia : : -0.67
    Americans : 0.00
    Russians : -0.00
    

    Savegame

  • '19

    ☠
    And Game two ends in a resounding loss for the allies.☺


  • @CrazyIvan

    It could have just as easily failed but I saw that instead of having 19 troops in Russia, you had 18. That moved the dial of success from 80% to 90%, just enough for me to take the risk. (In fact, I’ve adjusted my basic allied strategy somewhat by stripping a tank from the Middle East venture and adding it to Karelia, reducing the German chance of success to roughly 70%, which IMO is definitely not worth it as the Germans. The Russian deterrent is still quite potent with two tanks in ME.)

    Otherwise, the strategy you were using looked both familiar and terrifying so I went for the opportunity that I saw available and it worked out, though I should have lost another tank and plane when taking Russia’s capital, lucky me again.


  • @CrazyIvan

    I recommend using the in game battle calculator as much as possible.

    Example: At the beginning of turn 2, it may have been useful for you to notice that I had roughly a 60% chance of success with the forces I could throw at Moscow against the 8 inf and 3 fighters you decided to defend it with. Adding a single one of your Russian tanks would have reduced that to something like 43% and adding two tanks would have made it a 25%. Adding all four would have reduced it to less than 5%.

    As for myself, even though I don’t like attacking with just 60% odds, in this case it was a capital and so I don’t care if i lose everything but one tank I’m taking that chance.

    esp with how aggressive you were in India, poised roll the Japanese back!

    *of course all this would sound meaningless if my attack had failed

  • '19

    Heh heh, I agree! I’m not good enough to hold the line it seems. Two games, two crushings, in less than two turns!

    You had good rolls (more than probability would suggest) in both German attacks that mattered, but not so good that it was all that big a deal, except that the two battles were won on game-determination territories (Karelia & Russia). At one point, I saw 9 hits out of 12 rolls, and just shook my head. Keeping in mind that 12 bombers attacking @4 = 48/6 = 8 hits!! So, regular dice can tip the scales far in one direction, and no amount of skill or strategy can prevent that. When these battles are in game determining places, all is for naught.

    For my own calculations, regular dice prevent any meaningful statistical visualization of how a turn will go. I saw the odds in the calculator, after I made my R1, non-combat moves, but, unless I was willing to mass virtually everything in Karelia, and thus make africa a cakewalk for G1, I didn’t see any other options open to contain Germany.

    When I gamed out the standard G1 all in attack, years ago, you get the famous 7-11 + 5-1, and like in real life, the best defense is a strong offense, but RR removes that from the game. Thus, either the Russians are forced to assume a totally passively defensive stance…

    My worthy opponent has just posted a turn, back after seeing what new and dastardly deeds await me. 🙂


  • yes, the dice were hot for the Germans when the actual capital attack occurred, not on the karelia attack. in fact, you brought down two fighters with the AA gun. That one came through almost exactly par for the course.

    And to go a step further, on the entirety of turn one, of the 10 dice where you needed a four or less to secure a hit, you did so 9 out of 10 times. All your other columns were more or less on par. I record all the hit stats and will publish them after I rack up more games but would be willing to share them with you if you give me an email to send them to.

    Just to clarify, during the battle for Moscow, I agree I had very good luck with the 3 column, but 60% of the time, I would have had the same result, it was just a matter of what was left over and I was ready to burn my entire air force to save one tank and secure that territory.

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