Can I ask exactly what type of people you guys play that these strategies are all working? Are these online games or random board games or a constant group?
I usually play with one other person but have played many game over the last 2 years.
How exactly? The RUS CRS sitting in 114 means you can’t amphib. Are you taking it out on G1? What exactly are you taking it out with - and still taking out everything else (UK Navy)? I may not have played as many games as some of you, but taking out the UK Navy in turn 1 requires ALL of my planes (to avoid scramble) or to make sure that it all dies. If you are attacking the RUS CRS/SUB sitting there in G1 - is RUS not scrambling that fighter sitting there? I just don’t see it happening…
Lately I have really liked the G1. You can look up Young Grasshoppers G1 strategy for some insight. It is really good. I prefer to do it differently. He likes to attack and then play the war of attrition if I remember correctly. I like to attack and wipe out Russia as soon as possible.
The big difference between his G1 and mine is the attack of the Navy on sz 115. I bring the Battleship, Cruiser, along with a couple airplanes. If they scramble the 1 fighter you should still be able to win pretty easy. If you have 2 @ 3 and 2 @ 4 with a hit on the battleship, Russia would be crazy to scramble. The fighter is just too important. That would only give them 1 @ 1, 1 @ 3, and 1 @ 4. Not the odds I want as Russia.
As for the UK navy. I only attack sz 111 with 2 subs, 3 fighters (1 from Norway, 2 from W Germany), 3 tacs (all from W Germany).
It is really quite effective. I also take the transport to the battle with an Inf/Art from Germany to attack Baltic States. This is in the hopes I don’t get diced in Baltic States and have a good number of units so Russia has to take most if not all available units to take it back.
With my group - if your whole JPN fleet is sitting near Cairo - it’ll be turtled and you WILL NOT take it.
Cairo is a whole different issue. IMO, it really depends on the headway Germany is making in Russia. The way BJCard described it sound like an all out, forfeit the Pacific, bull rush to Cairo to win on the europe side. I prefer to have Japan do its work in the Pacific (Take DEI and other money territories), then move over to Calcutta. If Calcutta is too packed with guys to take over easily, you can move over to sz 79. From there you can attack all the middle east, 2 spots in Africa. If Cairo is open take that on the next turn. If not, cause they stacked a bunch of guys, take S Africa and use the MIC. Like Eggman said, you only have to take enough Navy to protect the transports.
As for the UK navy. I only attack sz 111 with 2 subs, 3 fighters (1 from Norway, 2 from W Germany), 3 tacs (all from W Germany).
So 109 and 110 UK fleets still alive? (I’m figuring 2 subs for 106 to get rid of Canada transport). Do they get taken out by Italy when they all go to Gib? If UK plays soft in the Med and just takes out the 96 ITL dest, that could be…
3 Crs, 1 dest, 1 loaded AC, 1 BS and 3 troops + AA sitting in Gib (or 4 troops). If UK buys an AB and pops it in Gib - that’s another 2/3 scramble from fighters (starting and one from UK or 2). Hmmm…to the battle calculator.
You can look up Young Grasshoppers G1 strategy for some insight.
I’m going to have to. I’ve liked some of these strategies around here.
So 109 and 110 UK fleets still alive?
Yes sir. I take 2 subs to 106 and 1 to sz 91. Hope to get lucky and take the Cruiser out with a first shot attack but make sure to take out the destroyer/transport and hopefully have a sub or 2 left to convoy on UK’s first turn.
Do they get taken out by Italy when they all go to Gib?
Only if they don’t plan accordingly
You can look up Young Grasshoppers G1 strategy for some insight.
I’m going to have to.
Mine is a hybrid of his. I try to take out Russia fast. He likes the attrition game. He also takes out the UK navy on G1. Then proceeds to take out the UK navy in the Med on G2. Helps out Italy in the Med.
Well, maybe you use the German transports turn 3- or if its open you go up over to archangel. I’ve also had Italy take out the Russian Cruiser with air- pissed me off as Russia as I couldn’t block the turn 2 attack on Leningrad.
May be hard to hold Cairo against 12+ Japan land units, at least 6 air units, 2 BB shots, 2 CA shots - especially if you didn’t anticipate the turn 5 or 6 attack on Cairo - remember the UK wouldn’t know that was the target (probably would assume Calcutta) until turn 3. Like I said earlier you could suicide whatever Italian units can reach before Japan hits Cairo.
In the end (in Europe) all that matters is the 8 VC’s.
I should add that I haven’t tried this strategy yet- trying to flesh it out. May be viable.
One nice thing is this makes a FAST game. You either win in 6-8 rounds or you LOSE.
One nice thing is this makes a FAST game. You either win in 6-8 rounds or you LOSE.
Well, that is true.
I think the most important piece of a G1/J4 plan aimed at taking down Moscow G6 is what you build on G4. Timing the rape of Moscow (or its capitulation) for G6 makes the most sense because that’s when the Finns and Bulgarians can get there. Rounds 1, 2, 3 can be mech/armor and G5 will be bombers, but G4 build can be used to build up defenses in the West in time to counterattack the allied landing which can be USA6 at the earliest. That’s what makes G1/J4 superior to G1/J3. SBR is key.
That’s what makes G1/J4 superior to G1/J3
I agree. I actually try to use as much Italy forces as possible to shore up France and/or W Germany. After Rome is covered of course.
Lately I have really liked the G1. You can look up Young Grasshoppers G1 strategy for some insight. It is really good. I prefer to do it differently. He likes to attack and then play the war of attrition if I remember correctly. I like to attack and wipe out Russia as soon as possible.
The big difference between his G1 and mine is the attack of the Navy on sz 115. I bring the Battleship, Cruiser, along with a couple airplanes. If they scramble the 1 fighter you should still be able to win pretty easy. If you have 2 @ 3 and 2 @ 4 with a hit on the battleship, Russia would be crazy to scramble. The fighter is just too important. That would only give them 1 @ 1, 1 @ 3, and 1 @ 4. Not the odds I want as Russia.
As for the UK navy. I only attack sz 111 with 2 subs, 3 fighters (1 from Norway, 2 from W Germany), 3 tacs (all from W Germany).
It is really quite effective. I also take the transport to the battle with an Inf/Art from Germany to attack Baltic States. This is in the hopes I don’t get diced in Baltic States and have a good number of units so Russia has to take most if not all available units to take it back.
Why wouldn’t the Russian sub at sz115 just submerge and attack your placed transports in sz113? If you instead place in sz112, either the SZ127 Russian Sub or UK would blow them up. I don’t see how this strategy works… If you also build a DD, then maybe.
Why wouldn’t the Russian sub at sz115 just submerge and attack your placed transports in sz113? If you instead place in sz112, either the SZ127 Russian Sub or UK would blow them up. I don’t see how this strategy works… If you also build a DD, then maybe.
That is in fact what happened in my recent games. I do build a DD to place with the transport. I can also scramble 3 fighters if the sub attacks it. In fact, the better move turned out to be the sub submerged. On R1 the sub, 2 fighters, 1 tac attacked my BB and CV that were left. One game Germany won the battle but clearly defying the odds. The other time it was Russia winning with all the planes. I actually am considering waiting till G2 to attack the Russian CV and sub in future games.
