Distribution of units in the attack on SZ 110 and 111 G1



  • How do you all distribute your units used for attacking those 2 seazones? also Pros and Cons comments would be nice.

    Kind Regards
    Jonas


  • 2018 2017

    6/8 Send 6 hits north, and 8 hits south. 2 subs each. 1 sub is surplus to requirement and can attack the Canadian Destroyer.

    As time wears on and players look for better ways to weaken germany, and with the bid, this setup will draw scrambles. Expect to lose planes unless you bring in the Battleship, and if you do, expect to lose that. Building an airbase to defend it is extra, and only 1 Tac is required to land away from Western Germany (and it often dies). If that tac does land, put the AAA guns with it, a smart UK player will destroy it.

    A good G1 will usually require the GER player to abandon his attack on SZ 111. Otherwise, he is spread too thin to make the G1 amount to a net gain of distance/time.

    I’ve tried other openers that ignore one of these two attacks and uses the extra planes to help in France, add multiple battles, change the opener etc. These are way less optimal than the standard opener.

    Leaving UK with any ships from either of those two fleets (it will be a BB) affects the game quite a bit. KGF can start earlier and US can bring more.

    The optimal opener therefore is probably 7+9(BB) if they bid on scotland, and you sacrifice the German BB. Killing both fleets is necessary to ensure a firm playout, and the traditional 6/8 opener begs for a double scramble.

    In Game 191, that double scramble cost Germany all the subs, 2 extra tacs and 3 fighters which is a 1:1 trade (5 allied fighters for 5 German planes).


  • 2019 2017 2016

    @taamvan said in Distribution of units in the attack on SZ 110 and 111 G1:

    In Game 191, that double scramble cost Germany all the subs, 2 extra tacs and 3 fighters which is a 1:1 trade (5 allied fighters for 5 German planes).

    IMO, that’s a win for the allies, a significant one.

    Recently, I’ve gone with this:
    SZ111: BB, 2subs, ftr/tac
    SZ110: 2subs 3ftrs/3tacs 2bombers

    The theory being you can polish off the SZ110 fleet probably without a scramble. If the UK does scramble, you should kill most of the planes round 1. In SZ111, you have to expect a scramble and you would really like to kill the cruiser in the first round. If you can do that, it’s easy to retreat. Leaving the BB alive in SZ111 doesn’t really cause that much trouble IMO. It can often be killed G2.

    Variations:
    (1) If you strip one sub from SZ111 to attack SZ106, you risk losing a plane there. Also, 2 subs to SZ106 normally cannot make it back to join the rest of the German fleet. That sub also potentially provides an extra hit defending SZ112 from a UK1 attack.
    (2) stripping a bomber from SZ110 to strengthen SZ111 makes the SZ110 scramble very costly for Germany.
    (3) Sending the battleship to SZ110 means the battleship is toast. Sometimes it may not survive going to SZ111 but I feel it’s worth the attempt to let it survive.
    (4) Bidding a fighter to Scotland probably means you should just concentrate on SZ110.


  • 2018

    Is it worth it to try and bait a scramble to 110 using a little less than optimal force ? Wouldn’t Taranto be off the table then ?

    If so, would having the Italian fleet live be worth the trade of some of the Luftwaffe ?


  • 2019 2017 2016

    @barnee said in Distribution of units in the attack on SZ 110 and 111 G1:

    Is it worth it to try and bait a scramble to 110 using a little less than optimal force ? Wouldn’t Taranto be off the table then ?

    No, because the UK can use the fighter on Scotland for Taranto. And that’s even if Taranto is better than a SZ92 stack.


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