Poll: Favorite turn 1 Russian Attack

[Guest]

In that case you’re running the risk that you dont accidentally kill that last fighter.

And I have no problem with that. :D As they say a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and I’d rather have russian armor than kill 1-2German ftrs. Even in games where the Germans get lucky and have all six planes after G1 it doesn’t help them as much as you might think.

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@Jennifer:

Just a thought here, but if you leave Cauc undefended because you used all the infantry there to take Ukr, what’s to stop the Jerries from moving forces (that would normally get killed eventually anyway) from Afr. to Cauc for the free land, and maybe a defensive hit?

With that they MIGHT be able to take Karelia, retake Ukr (which may or may not be suitably defended pending die roll outcomes) and Cauc giving them a nice +6 IPC income and reducing the red army to tatters?

That’s why I’m a proponent of forming a defense first, then attacking after the UK and US get up to speed.

another good reason to take EEU. Mind you, it’s nothing to leave a couple of inf behind. Also if you have aggressive allies, then the UK and US will both have a shot at taking FIN in between (depending on the success of the German luftwaffe).

[Guest]

another good reason to take EEU. Mind you, it’s nothing to leave a couple of inf behind. Also if you have aggressive allies, then the UK and US will both have a shot at taking FIN in between (depending on the success of the German luftwaffe).

Its never a good idea to sack russian armor in EEuro on R1 regardless of the bid. The offensive power costs to much to replace, and against a PE bid this could be a killer. As I’ve said taking out 1German ftr on R1 is not that important of an objective.

[OpTorch]

Depending on the bid of course, but interesting is

sub vs sub in AZO
2 ftr vs trn, sub in BAL
8/3 vs Ukr

and maybe 5/1 vs Man (only w/1 inf Kwa bid or less)
ncm the trn to NOR and Germany has a tough task.

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@AgentSmith:

another good reason to take EEU. Mind you, it’s nothing to leave a couple of inf behind. Also if you have aggressive allies, then the UK and US will both have a shot at taking FIN in between (depending on the success of the German luftwaffe).

Its never a good idea to sack russian armor in EEuro on R1 regardless of the bid. The offensive power costs to much to replace, and against a PE bid this could be a killer. As I’ve said taking out 1German ftr on R1 is not that important of an objective.

fair enough. Let’s say you pull the armor back, and toss fighters in? Or one arm, one ftr?
Also it’s not just the german ftr but also it’s armor(s). Plus stalling it for 2 turns (by forcing it to pull back instead of allowing it to build up).

[Jennifer]

That’s the only reason I’d risk all my tanks in E Euro. At least I know I’ll have another round to build before an invasion. I don’t like it, but in an unRR, no bid game (ie playing by the printed rules) I could see the tactical advantage to taking Manch, E. Euro, Baltic Sea and the sea zone to the west of France with Russia followed by a Kwang attack by the UK.

[Guest]

fair enough. Let’s say you pull the armor back, and toss fighters in? Or one arm, one ftr?
Also it’s not just the german ftr but also it’s armor(s). Plus stalling it for 2 turns (by forcing it to pull back instead of allowing it to build up).

I’m not sure I follow, how does hitting EEuro hurt Germany more than attacking Ukr. It has 1 more armor anyway, and you have more guys to throw in. Further against a good PE bid you’d likely be creating a deadzone in Karelia even with armor there, or I could stack Cauc to force you from Karelia on R2. Either way I don’t see why attacking EEuro is going to hurt Germany more than hitting Ukr would.

Depending on the bid of course, but interesting is

sub vs sub in AZO

2 ftr vs trn, sub in BAL
8/3 vs Ukr

and maybe 5/1 vs Man (only w/1 inf Kwa bid or less)
ncm the trn to NOR and Germany has a tough task.

Yes very much depending on the bid if you ask me. IMO no Africa bid should ever happen unless you are prepared to bid 2 guys into Manch. I assume an Africa bid as against a PE bid this would be extremely risky, and create a potential deadzone out of Karelia. So yes I’d say this would work against only the very worst of bids.

That’s the only reason I’d risk all my tanks in E Euro. At least I know I’ll have another round to build before an invasion. I don’t like it, but in an unRR, no bid game (ie playing by the printed rules) I could see the tactical advantage to taking Manch, E. Euro, Baltic Sea and the sea zone to the west of France with Russia followed by a Kwang attack by the UK.

But herein lies the problem in a no bid no RR game why would Russia need to ever worry about Karelia. I would also question why Russia would need to attack Manchuria as in a no bid game the Allies start with such an impressive advantage they don’t need to do much to win.