Gar,
––Thanks for sharing!
“Tall Paul”
The Next Super Power!
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Well TG, you’re obviously correct.
I am ignorant about a great many things. I pass by many news articles that hold no interest to me. I don’t know the names of the heads of states of many countries whose names i don’t know as well (or prolly couldn’t pronounce).
I think that if you compared “world geography and history knowledge” between citizens of the US and those of many other 1st world countries, you would find a large margin of a difference (in general terms, of course). Whereas Americans know a great deal about their own communittees, states and even much of their country, they tend to know less about the outside (relatively speaking).
I could not presume to find the poll on this or the hard evidence. Maybe give me some time and impetus . . . F_alk? you have anything? -
omg why is it that peoples only arguement is that History Repeats itself. History doesnt always repeat itself, for example u could say that in early 1940 Germany would never conquer France becuase History has shown that in WW1 they got into a slow moving war of attrition and eventully lost. (excluding the Franco Prussian War) ;) just because it happend before doesnt necisarily mean it will happen again, as of right now we are in the present and we can change the future, so if us Yanks play our Cards right, maybe we wont end up like ther other EMpires. i mean u never know ;) thats my two cents
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And how long before “history repeats itself” I may ask…
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the US will fall :evil:
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omg why is it that peoples only arguement is that History Repeats itself. History doesnt always repeat itself, for example u could say that in early 1940 Germany would never conquer France becuase History has shown that in WW1 they got into a slow moving war of attrition and eventully lost. (excluding the Franco Prussian War) ;) just because it happend before doesnt necisarily mean it will happen again, as of right now we are in the present and we can change the future, so if us Yanks play our Cards right, maybe we wont end up like ther other EMpires. i mean u never know ;) thats my two cents
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and thats just my opinion ;)Maybe the US won’t fall. But let’s look at those empires that did fall:We have the Egyptian Empire, the Babylonian, Empire, the Assyrian Empire, the Greek Empire, the Ptolmeic Empire, the Parthian Empire, the Seleucid Empire, the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Holy Roman Empire(First German Reich). The Spanish Empire, the Portuguese Empire, the Russian Empire, the French Empire, the Aztec Empire, the German Empire (Second German Reich), the Ottoman Turkish Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, the Third Reich, and the Japanese Empire.
BTW, I missed quite a few. But there’s a list. Do you honestly believe America can actually avoid this trend?
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any one can avoid a trend. If i can avoid all the Fashion trends then Amerika can avoid the Empire falling trend :P
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im not saying america wont but its possible ;)
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America will fall, but don’t be so sure that it will be anytime soon…
We are an empire, just like all of those others listed, but ONE factor must be kept in mind. We are the first empire to WILLINGLY cease expansion. In fact, when we stopped expanding, we grew in power. This factor throws a monkey wrench into the idea of how long we may last. Most of those other empires continually invaded other places to grow in wealth and power, but we found a way to do that from home. Many other nations still hate us, though, even though we send so much aid out… or maybe it’s just unneccesary jealousy? They would have the same wealth and power if they would also adopt freedom and capitalism, so I don’t feel sorry for them…
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Maybe the US won’t fall. But let’s look at those empires that did fall:We have the Egyptian Empire, the Babylonian, Empire, the Assyrian Empire, the Greek Empire, the Ptolmeic Empire, the Parthian Empire, the Seleucid Empire, the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Holy Roman Empire(First German Reich). The Spanish Empire, the Portuguese Empire, the Russian Empire, the French Empire, the Aztec Empire, the German Empire (Second German Reich), the Ottoman Turkish Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, the Third Reich, and the Japanese Empire.
Look and examine what did this empires in, you will see US practically holds none of these major disadvantages. In most cases, the fall of one Empire, through conquest, led to the creation of another. But in those times, the World was a much smaller place and frankly undiscovered. There was no United Nations or whatnot.
America will fall, but don’t be so sure that it will be anytime soon…
Again I ask for evidence (and the not papers on the rants of Pat Buchanan)… so far none has been provided… :-?
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@Deviant:Scripter:
It’s only ignorance depending on which direction you’re viewing it from. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they’re the ones who are ignorant? :roll: Have you ever stopped to think that they’re ignorant when it comes to living peaceful and meaningful lives? :-?
Who are oyu talking of exactly, DS?
And for the direction of viewing… you must have travelled far… ;)We live in the most just and fair country on this planet.
lol rofl lmao ….
“the”… and i bet there are still people out there who wouldn’t call that ignorant or arrogant, right?If we’re going to speak of ignorance, look at the entire picture. EVERYBODY IS IGNORANT is some aspect of their thinking. I get tired of hearing people throw out fallacious comments that Americans are ignorant. What the hell are we so ignorant about, that it’s going to destroy our country eventually??
Your first statement is true, unfortunately for the world and mankind.
The second one: You are ignorant about the rest of the world.
You say “lat’s bomb Canada” (see the other thread), call it a joke and presumably would wonder when they are pissed at you. You press hard against one country which defied the UN, and support another one who did the same and is just a few kms away from the first…. there is so much more to list, which you wouldn’t think that it appears arrogant or ignorant to the rest of the world, but it still is there. -
It really sounds like you’re talking abut the German reichs F_alk. I only wish the Third Reich would not have taken so long to fall.
I was also referring to the Romans, the Chinese, Spain and Portugal.
Germany’s Third Reich and Napoleons France didn’t exist long enough to grow decadent (though they started (germany more, france less) arrogant and ignorant, but these empires were ended through wars). -
@cystic:
I could not presume to find the poll on this or the hard evidence. Maybe give me some time and impetus . . . F_alk? you have anything?
Ohm, i just came back from the weekend…. what exactly do you ask for? Evidence/ a poll on that topic?
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@TG:
America will fall, but don’t be so sure that it will be anytime soon…
Again I ask for evidence (and the not papers on the rants of Pat Buchanan)… so far none has been provided… :-?
Well, i give you my evidence for “The US will fall”, if you give me yours of “It won’t”….
you must understand, my data is highly classified, coming directly from my future descendants through channels which i have to get accepted by Physical Review Letters first … ;) :D -
@F_alk:
We live in the most just and fair country on this planet.
lol rofl lmao ….
“the”… and i bet there are still people out there who wouldn’t call that ignorant or arrogant, right?i was wondering if anyone was going to pick up on this. The UN considers the US guilty of many human rights abuses. But i guess if enough Americans say “we’re not guilty, we’re the most fair and just country on the planet” than it must be true . . . .
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Well, i give you my evidence for “The US will fall”, if you give me yours of “It won’t”….
I get my information from Economic data and strong histroy. That is mostly what matters. US: increasing economic growth (avg. 3% per year), very high per capita living considering its size, abundance in natural resources, stopped expanding which actually increased its wealth, good legal system (not the best but better than that of frontier capitalist), good technology and service infrastructure, relatively sound republcian system (yes, none of those “Emperors” that have led to the downfall of other Empires), rising education, strong military, ect.
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by 2020 china ill have a bigger GDP then the US-the UN
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@TG:
Well, i give you my evidence for “The US will fall”, if you give me yours of “It won’t”….
I get my information from Economic data and strong histroy. That is mostly what matters. US: increasing economic growth (avg. 3% per year), very high per capita living considering its size, abundance in natural resources, stopped expanding which actually increased its wealth, good legal system (not the best but better than that of frontier capitalist), good technology and service infrastructure, relatively sound republcian system (yes, none of those “Emperors” that have led to the downfall of other Empires), rising education, strong military, ect.
that seems to be a fair assessment. Plus they seem to have a fairly firm hand on many of the “nut jobs” that might seek to tearing things apart.
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but the US is losing jobs
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by 2020 china ill have a bigger GDP then the US-the UN
Yes, I stated this before. However, that does not mean the US will not still remain a great power on its own. (Remember, that’s GDP, not per capita income). If anything, a strong China means a stronger USA due to improved trade relations.
but the US is losing jobs
Read the buisness cycle: areas of recession -> high unemployment, areas of economic boom -> low unemployment
During “regular” periods (economy still grows but not as high > 3%) you’ll be hard pressed to find US unemployment +5% -
@TG:
I get my information from Economic data and strong histroy. That is mostly what matters. US: increasing economic growth (avg. 3% per year), very high per capita living considering its size, abundance in natural resources, stopped expanding which actually increased its wealth, good legal system (not the best but better than that of frontier capitalist), good technology and service infrastructure, relatively sound republcian system (yes, none of those “Emperors” that have led to the downfall of other Empires), rising education, strong military, ect.
and telling me that others can’t see a joke when one is done ;)
But: most of it is true, except for the increasing economic growth ( you need to tell me howmany years you take for averaging), most/all of the “old empires” had vast natural ressources as well, rome and china had a sound legal system as well, and the best technology and service infrastructure, and a strong military, and they also stopped expanding after some time.
that leaves:
high capita per living… which i have to translate first, not something i use often :)
sound republican system, well… “sound” is relative… two parties just grow corrupt…and look at the number of ppl voting…35% ???
rising education…cough well… would you really put your name under that??I don’t say that the US will fall tomorrow, or in my lifetime. But: it will fall, and i think it will not dominate the world for a time as long as the romans or chinese did…
Ah, my evidence is history and the above, btw :)
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