Besides, the Soviets aren’t even in the Pacific version, and West India is balanced by British Columbia, so it’s even there and the European UK doesn’t get more…
How is France going to survive even 1 round?!?
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I think Germany should sack Italy next, so it can get more $. Once Germany gets control of Rome it gets total control of all Italian units. Now all the little brown dudes move during Germany’s turn. They have the option of going before, after, or at the same time. Germany can also produce its own units from Italian IC.
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@WILD:
I think Germany should sack Italy next, so it can get more $. Once Germany gets control of Rome it gets total control of all Italian units. Now all the little brown dudes move during Germany’s turn. They have the option of going before, after, or at the same time. Germany can also produce its own units from Italian IC.
Something tells me that the rules won’t allow this.
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After France falls. What is next for Germany? UK, Russia or Africa.
Hopefully Germany will be strong enough to be competitive in all three of these at once :-)
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@Brain:
After France falls. What is next for Germany? UK, Russia or Africa.
Seriously
Axis round #1
G1 kill France, and try to take out parts of UK navy. Take any pro neutrals you can (Eastern Europe)
I1 mop up France (Vichy tt), start battling UK/French navy in Med, invade Greece, and fight UK/France in Africa.Axis round #2
G2 hammer any thing you can reach that UK has land or sea, while England is isolated, trying to weaken it (I don’t think sea lion will be an option yet, but could prepare for it if you go that route rd #3). Attack UK convoys. Get in position to attack Russia.
I2 continue the good fight vs UK in the Med/Africa. Go for Gib, Crete or Malta if opportunity presents itself. Maybe move some units towards E Europe (Russia).Axis round #3
G3 Barbarossa (don’t want them to gain more strength). Make attacks of opportunity vs UK including convoys, secure France.
I3 continue to annoy UK. You should have large chunks of Africa, now go for Egypt (straight), and on to Mid East, so you may be able to aid in Russia. Make sure you control/protect the entrances to the Med (Gib). Team up w/Jap to see if you can get the S.African IC at some point. -
I think you have nailed the Axis strategy, Wild Bill. So how does UK and France counter this strategy? Obviously Germany gets the first shot and all France may have is some navy and units in Africa. Does the French player try to hold Africa as long as possible or retreat its land forces via transports to British tt and mass its fleets with British fleets in a circle the wagons approach? Or does the French fleet do a kamikaze to damage the Italian fleet as much as possible? Of course all this will depend on initial unit set-up. Any thoughts?
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@Brain:
@Dylan:
Will Paris even be in French hands at the start because since French Indo China doesn’t provoke war will Paris even be French at the start
What kind of question is this? If Paris is not in the french hands at the beginning of the game, then France is out of the game.
I don’t know It thought this was after Dunkirk and I thought Paris was caught by then, but I guess not
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I think the French NO of getting 4inf when Paris is liberated give the alies some real options, even early on. I, personally, dont think that sealion is going to be a real threat to the UK. Unless you have a German player who would rather ignore the Soviets, I think once mainland France falls all of Germanys offensive power will go to the east.
SO, this means that the UK player can afford to run the home islands empty and pump what they can into France. The benifits of this stratagey should seem kind of obvious as tying up German units in the west will only help in the east. However, the possibility of being renforced the moment you capture Paris means that constantly attacking into France is more than just an annoyance, it can become a real threat. I wonder what the initial set-up will be? Because if its at all possible for the rest of the French forces on the mainland to mount a counter-attack into Paris on their opening turn, with the aid of a UK “can opener” perhapse, and then being renforced by those 4 free inf from their NO, you could have a real ball game on your hands as the westen allies early on. -
I think there should be a special rule that the British or American player can give the French player a certain amount of IPCs to use on only infantry (and perhaps artillery and tanks when certain prerequisites are met). I do not think it would be fun at all if the French player simply has to make due with what he has after the fall of Metropolitan France.
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@UN:
I think there should be a special rule that the British or American player can give the French player a certain amount of IPCs to use on only infantry (and perhaps artillery and tanks when certain prerequisites are met). I do not think it would be fun at all if the French player simply has to make due with what he has after the fall of Metropolitan France.
That’s why there’s not going to BE a dedicated France player…
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@UN:
I think there should be a special rule that the British or American player can give the French player a certain amount of IPCs to use on only infantry (and perhaps artillery and tanks when certain prerequisites are met). I do not think it would be fun at all if the French player simply has to make due with what he has after the fall of Metropolitan France.
That’s why there’s not going to BE a dedicated France player…
France is going to be a power that will always go to a player already with another power, as China is handled in Pacific.
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@UN:
I think there should be a special rule that the British or American player can give the French player a certain amount of IPCs to use on only infantry (and perhaps artillery and tanks when certain prerequisites are met). I do not think it would be fun at all if the French player simply has to make due with what he has after the fall of Metropolitan France.
That’s why there’s not going to BE a dedicated France player…
Is that confirmed? :?
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Confirmed or not, unless there is some popping inf rule for Free France, nobody is going to want play France alone (and even then, I doubt it)
I’ll repeat it: this game is going to be rich in mods. Somebody will mod Free and Vichy France, some others :roll: will delete ACME walls, and soon or later you’ll have 1939, 1944, 1945 or even alternate history scenarios (CSA?)
Think in OOB rules as a base than will allow players mod the game at their pleisure
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It will take longer to set up for France than the amount of time that they will actually be in the game.
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Isn’t the navy going to be scuttled when France falls?
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@Brain:
Isn’t the navy going to be scuttled when France falls?
I don’t think the French fleet is going to be scuttled.
@Imperious:
France will be split into 3 territories. Indeed you cannot attack the same territory from the Med and the Atlantic. There is a central territory called France (it contains Paris). It has an IC. It does not touch coast. Coastal territories of the country (France) are worth far less than central France. No buffer between Paris territory and German border. France has two major ICs (This might change to one major and one minor). France will have a major or minor IC on the Atlantic coast. French fleet will have its own turn sequence… It will be controlled probably by the British player, however. Like any power, if the capital falls it cannot produce new units until it is liberated. France will fall! How many axis units it takes with it is what is in question. France can be liberated… In which case it will receive and activate its own economy. It will also receive a certain amount of infantry units (free) that are immediately placed in the game. Viva le France!
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So France is to the Europe edition, as China is to the Pacific edition?
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So France is to the Europe edition, as China is to the Pacific edition?
Approximately, yes. They’re going to mostly be a distraction/annoyance to the Germans as China is to Japan, except since France only has 3 land territories the annoyance factor will be more with the navy.
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No, France will not be like China. France will not pop dudes (worst) but will have no ACME wall (let’s pray for it). The funny thing is that Free France income will be useless for allies until axis conquer it … so you can guess that gamey axis players will exploit this semi-bug and will ignore Free France territories. We really need ignore captured capitals rules in this game because Free France and Sea Lion can be mayor problems. It’s annoying that Larry continues sticking to them
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france will fall G1. they fell like dominos against the german wehrmacht. they were so sure of themselves, that the germans would attack their maginot-line. suprise, they did not. i just cant undersztand why all you guys want france to play a role in this game, its bound to fall. hitler wouldnt let himself have two front on mainland europe. i will serve sauerkraut and bayer in moscow by G5.
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france will fall G1. they fell like dominos against the german wehrmacht. they were so sure of themselves, that the germans would attack their maginot-line. suprise, they did not. i just cant undersztand why all you guys want france to play a role in this game, its bound to fall. hitler wouldnt let himself have two front on mainland europe. i will serve sauerkraut and bayer in moscow by G5.
They will fall huh? Just like the US player won’t be able to join until a year into the game (real time), or the Allies have to invade North Africa first before any other Axis territory?
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