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The conceit in “East & West” is that minor powers just bond to a major power, once they become active in the war. So, what I had suggested was that France would become part of Western Europe, and the Arab League would become part of the UK, if/when they’re at war with the USSR.
It just keeps things a lot cleaner, in terms of not having to reinvent the turn order, and other stuff which might add overhead.
Axis & Allies Global Confict - 3rd Edition Released
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Is Western Turkey a seperate territory from Turkey?
Can an Axis tank blitz through a neutral territory with a zero value? (e.g. Afghanistan)?
Gramatical error: The first sentence under “9 Naval Production” on page 10 says “Although small and scattered throughout the world, your naval bases have managed to proved their worth.” This would sound better if the world “proved” was changed to “prove”.
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Cruisers: The rulebook says “cruisers attack and defend at 4 or less during the first round of combat in battles in which your offensive units consist of two or less cruisers.”
Does “offensive units” mean you must be on the attack? Or do you receive this bonus on the defence also?
Does “units consist of two or less cruisers” mean that you ONLY have 1 or 2 cruisers in the fleet? e.g. would you recieve the bonus if your fleet consisted of 3 destroyers and 2 cruisers?
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Offensive units mean that the unit does not have an attack value (a.k.a. the attack value is 0) This bonus is applied to attaking and defending units, notice the astrics. Therefore for cruisers to recieve the bonus your units (and your allies units on defense) must consist of 1 or 2 cruisers and any number of transports, as they dont have an attack value.
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Are the Blockhouses worth purchasing for Germany?
To answer this question, I devised an experiment. What would be the best 30 IPC defense against an allied amphibious landing of 4 infantry and 4 tanks? For 30 IPCs, I tried the following defensive purchases and ran a simulation to check the odds of a successful defense:
10 infantry defend 77% of the time.
6 tanks defend 24% of the time.
6 blockhouses defend 41% of the time.
3 blockhouses and 5 infantry defend 70% of the time. This mix has a huge variance. If the 3 blockhouses get 2 preemptive hits, they defend 85% of the time, but if they only get 1 preemptive hit, they defend 56% of the time.My conclusion is that infantry is a better defense than blockhouses on a cost basis. The benefit of the blockhouse is that it can be built in place, where the infantry have to be built at a factory and moved. However, this is offset by the fact the infantry have the flexibility to be redeployed if Germany determines that a shore defense is no longer wanted. The blockhouse cannot be moved. The inability to move is a significant deterrent to the blockhouse purchase. For example, if the allies land in Normandy, the blockhouses in the Netherlands and Germany become mostly worthless fodder.
I ran the same experiment with blockhouses costing 4 IPC instead of 5.
7 blockhouses (28 IPC instead of 30) defend 78% of the time.
4 blockhouses plus 6 infantry defend 98% of the time.At 4 IPCs the blockhouses become about equivalent of infantry defense on their own, but become a great defense when added with infantry.
We will start playing Global Conflict on May 20th, so I am preparing all the game components and carefully reading the rules. I’m guessing at a cost of 5 IPC, Germany won’t buy any blockhouses, but at 4 IPC, Germany may be enticed into purchasing some.
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The rulebook discusses the Panama and Suez canal on page 3 and 4. Is the Dardanelles straight between Sea Zone 43 and 44 considered a canal? Does one need Turkey’s permission to move boats between these two sea zones?
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No. It is not a canal, however i have toyed with the idea before, but decided that gameplay and stratigies are more instresting with it being a regular seazone. Do you have a specific reason why it should be considered a canal, other than its a narrow strait? Because I dont feel that that alone is sufficient, given that passage through gibralter and past denmark is allowed.
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Historical Reason: The Dardanelles straight connects the Sea of Marmara to the Agean Sea, and the Bosphorus strait connects the Sea of Marmara to the Black Sea. Both straights require submarines to surface due to the shallow depth, and both have bridges over them. With even the most primitive weapons, those on shore could prevent a boat from traveling through if they so desired.
Game Play Reason: By calling the Dardanelles and Bosphorus a ‘canal’, it gives an additional strategic reason for Germany to invade Turkey. In the Global Conflict rules of neutrality violation, Turkey should be an easy conquest: 0 value for Western Turkey and 1 for Turkey.
My opinion: I slightly favor making it a canal, but do not have a strong opinion either way. My most important goal is to understand the rules so when we play on the 4 Tuesdays starting May 20th I know the rules and can explain them ahead of time.
BTW, in reading through the rules today, you have done a spectacular job in writing very clearly and organizing the rules overall. I think you have done a great job combining well known rules into a huge game. The more I tell my friends, the more all of us are looking forward to playing. Thanks for all the hard work you have done so far, and for taking the time to answer all my questions.
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Yet another question :-D I am just so excited to play this big Axis and Allies variant.
The victory conditions seem incredibly for the axis to meet. To get 10 victory cities, Japan would have to take everything from China to India, to Australia, to New Zealand. That certainly seems like a large task. Germany can take the entire Soviet Union, and that only gets them to 8. I’m guessing 9 and 10 come from India, or China, or England. That’s seems very difficult indeed. To get a combined 20, I’m guessing Italy takes all of Africa for 5, Germany takes 2 in the Soviet Union for 6, and Japan takes 9?
From people that have played, have you seen an Axis victory? How did it happen? Which victory condition was met? What victory cities were conquered?
Thanks again for you commentary!
Craig
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The rules for Transports on page 8 states:
Transporting Multinational Forces
Transports belonging to a friendly power can load and offload your land units. This is a three-step process.
1. You load your land units aboard the friendly transport on your turn.
2. The transport’s controller moves it (or not) on that player’s turn.
3. You offload your land units on your next turn.When playing simultaneous movement, does this mean the German transport that starts in sea zone 38 can move to sea zone 39, pick up an Italian infantry and tank in Northern Italy, move to sea zone 30, and drop off the Italian infantry and tank on Malta to attack the British fighter? Can the Italian battle ship provide shore bombardment for this amphibias invasion? Is this previous three step process now a one step when playing with simultanous movement?
Craig
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Version 3.1 with updated set up has been posted
http://www.mediafire.com/?xlox1uvu2twOnce again this is a balancing of rules.
Basicly the phase sequences have been tweaked to stimulate battles in convoys.
CAPs have also been reinstated.Craig bee your victory conditon assumptions are correct. It will be real hard, as it should be, for any single axis player to win individually. Basicly impossible for italy. As far as transporting multinational forces is concerned. follow the spirit of the origional a&a rules. when using siminitanious movement. load you troops onto your ally’s transport on turn 1 (either before or after it moves) then unload it on on turn 2 (either before or after the transport moves again) a careful reading of the rules will support this point of view.
Also this point is crucial for game balance. you are never allowed to have two attacking powers in the same battle. if both UK and USA invades normandy on the same turn. The allies decides who invades first. Lets say thats the UK. The UK then conducts combat with germany. If uk wins then the american force will never even fight the germans, they simply offload in a noncombat supporting role. If the uk loses the americans will then fight a battle with the germans. Nomatter who goes first you may never use say an american battleship to bombard during the UK invasion. Just like the UK is not allowed to use USA fighters in its invasion of normandy. doing so would completely destroy the intergity of the game, as each country would be able to specialize in building one type of unit. This would result in a 2 nation game, not a 8 nation game.
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On page 14 of the rules, under “Submarines” it states “Die rolls of two and three for fighters and two, three, or four for bombers must be assigned to surface naval vessels.”
I assume if the defender has fighters on an aircraft carrier, those fighters could also be chosen as casualties instead of only surface naval vessels as written. I suggest re-writing this sentence to “Die rolls of two and three for fighters and two, three, or four for bombers may only be assigned to defending units other than submarines.” I recommend changing the word ‘must’ to ‘may’ because it is possible that three aircraft all roll 2, but the defender only has 1 sub and 2 transports defending. There is to unit to assign the third hit, therefore it ‘must’ not be assigned.
Bob. Thanks for the updates. I like the change made where players collect income at the before combat. This means they must hold a convoy box to collect its income. I think that will make play much more interesting. Now you have to hold territory to get the income, not just conquer it.
I really look forward to playing in a few weeks. I pick up the map at the printers tomorrow!
Craig
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Special Cash Advance: I would be very interested to hear where the special cash advance has been spent by those who have played this game.
For the Axis, it makes a lot of sense to give it to the Japanese. All units, except Russia and China, defend on a 1 against the Japanese the first turn. That extra 12 production in the Japanese hands should be able to do the most damage.
For the Allies, it would make sense to avoid putting the extra 12 production where the Japanese can kill it. I am guessing that the best places to put the extra 12 production is in either the Russian front against Germany, in Northern Africa for the UK, or in China. For Russia, 4 infantry could really slow down the Germans. For the UK, North Africa is nice because its hard to get units there and it will slow the Italians down significantly. In China, 4 more infantry would significantly slow down the Japanese. Perhaps even buy 2 tanks in China to give all that Chinese infantry some offensive power.
How have you seen the 12 extra starting production used?
Craig
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The French setup chart lists 1 Infantry in Egypt. Should this be Central Egypt or Northern Egypt? I put the units in Northern Egypt.
The Italian setup charts lists 2 Infantry in Lybia. Should this be Western Lybia or Cryinia? I put the units in Cryinia.
The United Kingdom setup chart references sea zone 48 twice; once with a transport and a second time with a destroyer, submarine, and transport. What United Kingdom units should go in sea zone 48? I put the destroyer, submarine, and transport in sea zone 49 because it is listed on the same line as land units in Souther India.
The setup charts posted April 26, 2008 were used.
Craig
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Computing Out Of Supply:
In previous posts, it has been indicated that Italian East Africa is out of supply at the beginning of the game.
However, supply can be traced to Northern Italy via this route using the v3.1 map on April 26, 2008: Italian East Africa -> Sea Zones 47, 57, 58, 32, 31, 29, 27, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Sea Zone 40, Southern Italy, Northern Italy.
How is Out Of Supply computed? Clarification will help us avoid arguments during the game.
Craig
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sorry for the lack of communication. my internet has been down for a few weeks. I discovered that i posted the wrong version of the updated rules. I apologize for the inconvenience. here is the correct link. i also deleted the old link so that you cant accidentally download the wrong version
here is the link
http://www.mediafire.com/?ehbczz4au54Aircraft attacking Submarines Now reads
If a force consisting only air units (and/or transports) attacks a sea zone with submarines in it, fighter and bomber hits may only be assigned to submarines on a die roll of one. If no other enemy units are present in the sea zone, all die rolls not equaling one are treated as misses.the cash advance typically is used in Africa.
The Italian infantry should be in western lybia.
The rulebook states that all sea zones that are not axis controlled (have an axis control marker in it) are allied controlled. Italian east Africa is out of supply route because the route you suggest is considered allied controlled.
the sea units should be placed in seazone 48 the reference chart has been updated to correct the typos.
to answer your question about all axis then all allied movement. This rule is meant solely to speed up game play and keep players involved so they don’t get board. No more do you have to wait an hour till your turn. It turns a twenty hour game into a six hour game.
The odd powers attack separate rule is designed so that the all at one movement does not destroy game balance. Its a bit clumsy i admit, but to play without it. each country could simply build only one or two units, then combine them for one massive attack, allowing them to more easily take areas none of them were capable of taking alone. This would be a huge advantage that would only favor the allies, and kill the axis. It also destroys national identity, which i consider a bad thing.
when more than one power defends in the same land territory, they all defend together. This is also a bit clumsy, but it more accurately mimics the original battle sequence in the original and revised games. (It probably wouldn’t kill the game if you made them defend separately, so you could try playing that way if you feel it makes more sense. If you do let me know how it worked out, cuz i could consider changing that rule.)
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Thanks for the update Bob. I’m mostly ready to play. I’ve made some nice accessories. Here are some pictures:
http://www.craig-bartell.com/images/map.jpg
http://www.craig-bartell.com/images/setup.jpg
http://www.craig-bartell.com/images/battleboard.jpgCraig
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Very Nice. I am quite impressed. Would you be willing to post a link so that myself and other could download your much improved reference cards, victory city token, and industrial complex cards. It would be very nice if we could post them with the map, as a complete package. I will of course give you credit for your work, which is pretty impressive.
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The updated rule book lists Battleships as costing 22, yet the updated setup charts list the Battleships as costing 20. Which is correct?
I’d be happy to send you the collateral I’ve made to include in the distribution package of Global Conflict. I can’t wait to play!
Craig
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I was bouncing the price of battleships from 20 to 22. I finally decided on 22, but That the price difference didn’t seem to make much difference. What does your pretty setup chart say? I will change them to agree with that price, unless you have some specific reason to have the price differ.
I really appreciate the in depth look that you have done in the rule book. Despite my many proofreads, it always seems as though something always slips through the cracks. Thanks for helping me out.
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It seems a change was made in how Supply Tokens are collected. Some clarification in the rules would be helpful. In the updated rules section titled “Phase 1: Purchase Units & Collect Supply Tokens” it no longer says to collect Supply Tokens as the title suggests. In the section of the updated rules titled “Phase 6: Place New Units & Supply Tokens”, under “Place Supply Tokens” it says to “Look up your power’s national production level… and collect that number of supply tokens”
It seems there is a small conflict between the Phase title and the instructions in the phases.
Personally, I very much like collecting Supply Tokens in Phase 1. I think it makes the convoy boxes much more interesting because they must be controlled from the end of last turn to the start of the next turn to collect the revenue. With collecting Supply Tokens at the end of the turn, the allied team can just park a $6 transport to collect the $5. It is much more interesting to make the transport live for a turn in order to be able to collect the income.
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