• Ok, Jennifer and Hobbes you are right.
    I have explained my thought very bad.

    I thing that the KRF is the more easy way of concentrate Axis efforts on a single Allied power with a “spontaneous” sinergy between the two Axis powers. I intend that they aim principally to Russia and in that way they are helping one the other.

    KUKF is possible but require more coordination.
    KUSF is also possible but require still more coordination and preparation.
    However, I have not ever tried them.

    Now, A&A is a great game because every player may create his own strategy, and also having fun trying to get it work.
    Naturally a strategy to have success have to be well planned and require good execution.
    After several attempts one may judge it by himself.

    When I play Axis I am usually aimed to KRF. This do not mean that it is the only one… I prefer it.


  • I’ve never seen a KUKF or KUSF at all, I think it is even lame to kill the UK first, cos they can be overthrown very quickly in the beginning, ok leaving you as Germany with a weak force for a round or 2-3, but still. (you have a HUGE amount of money!)

    I think the reason to do the KRF tactic by Axis is because Russia is a pain in the ass right between you and your mate, once you’ve got Russia out, the UK and US get isolated sitting on their islands (assuming they didn’t get much luck in Africa too)

    Nearly all my previous games the Allies won, weird thing to think about, but Axis are just in minority when they have lack of good players on their side, and 1 bad player is already enough to let them lose,

    You can better have 2 great players at axis, and 2 great and 1 bad players at the Allies, so it equals the game,

    Still I wonder if the KUSF is a good one, it might, but how do you cover up all your transports out of Africa I would say as Germany? Those Spitfires won’t let you sail all the way I would say. Still I could give it a shot with my other Axis mate next time, could be a hilarious game too. :D

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I watched a game of Kill America First.  It worked, but it was also one of the first times it was played and I highly doubt it would ever work against that player again.


  • @Cmdr:

    I watched a game of Kill America First.  It worked, but it was also one of the first times it was played and I highly doubt it would ever work against that player again.

    Could you give some more details about how to throw the USA outta game?

    If I was the UK, I would surrender right away. :P (If I wasn’t dead long before. :P )


  • A balanced strategy could work on the veteran level if say the Japanese gets ultra diced in naval battles. Then the US alone could contain Japan fast enough to matter.

    If you go balanced strategy in all situations though, you might find that both Axis powers are expanding slowly and then wham suddenly they have more IPCs of income than you and you’re like wtf?  :wink:


  • Except for sealion, which rarely happens, and mostly because UK is way to risky, not guarding own
    capital, there is no other alternative for axis than KRF.
    In cases where Germany is not contesting allies for Africa at all, then maybe US could contain Jap
    in pacific, instead of moving from Africa to Persia.
    UK would then be able to contain Germany together with Russia.
    It’s not an good idea to contain Jap from LA.


  • @Lucifer:

    It’s not an good idea to contain Jap from LA.

    Not only from LA, sure. Its LA only first turn, then Sinkiang, Calcutta and Siberian units plus Pacific Fleet stealing juicy 4 IPC islands


  • Everything can be possible in theory,
    but KUSF would only work if there is a HUGE difference in player skills.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I believe Caspian Sub has an article on it called something like Operation North American Shield or something similar.  Anyway, it’s never going to work against someone who knows what to look for.  But it’s still a fun gambit to try!


  • It’s “Canadian Shield” on Caspian Sub.

    The original writeup was “Operation Hollywood” by a non-Caspian sub player.

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