alrighty so lets say its an ART in libya not an INF(big difference)…also im not so sure that that FiG in ukr is dead(tradeoff 1ger fig for 3rus arm). even if it is with inf, art, arm, fig, bom should still be a tank there.(plan could fail if luck is one sided) plus how are the uks gonna sink the bismark and escorts with only a bom and des? thats a suicide mission
but this is what im getting at…pros and cons for both options
NCS hit it right with his “Top 10 reasons to attack Egypt on G1”, and I will add in that there’s not much one can consider overkill. Trust me from experience (sadly) everytime I think “hmmm… I can take Egypt with <insert minimal=”" forces=“”>instead of bringing <insert appropriate=“” forces=“”>I end up losing and it’s all downhill from there with Germany.
It’s kinda sad that, for Germany at least, such a critical battle comes so early in the game. Granted, you can recover from it but it seriously screws up your game.</insert></insert>
with out the ukr fig the battle for egy is tougher…thats for sure. but how often does russia leave its tanks in ukr? thats HUGE for germany…the question is not ‘should germany take egypt?’ the questions is pros vs cons of sending the med fleet east vs west.
there are pros to sending the fleet east no doubt about it. there are also pros to sending the fleet west. threating the uk, possibly linking the fleet, forcing the uks hand with its first purchase, not losing your sub, excetra, excetra.
thoughts…and thanks for the input
Noob, you are missing 2-3 FIGs in your calculations for the naval battle on UK1 in SZ13.
The UK FIGs can reach (as can the Egypt FIG if it lived) if they land in Gibraltar.
That makes that battle (best case for Germany)
1 TRN, 1 SUB, 1 BB
against
1 DST, 2 FIG, 1 BOM
And that is a 79% Allied win.
i assumed (making asses of both of us) that coupled with the move west, gibraltar is captured by by a ger inf(later to dropped either in western or back in africa/europe)
Now we are on a completely different set of assumptions.
But the “link threat” still isn’t valid since the UK can block it simply by moving to and building in SZ6… out of range of the Med Fleet, but totally blocking the Baltic Fleet.
So even then, the “threat” of a link-up is a bluff that Germany cannot execute, unles UK ALLOWS it to happen (which they might… depends on certain other moves elsewhere…)
true true… however blocking in sea zone 6 might mean risking the royal navy
At the cost of the Baltic fleet and much of Germany’s AF… I’ll take that risk :-)
The US and UK can replace naval and air units… Germany can;t.
again true but theres always a catch…with germanys starting units + 1 ac vs the uk starting + fleet loaded ac, des, and rus sub included that should be wiped in 2 rounds with losing 1 or 2 figs. that sets the uk back big time and accomplishes something with the baltic fleet that normally wouldnt get done. so my initial question remanis… is it still better to send the med fleet east?
without the presence of the bs at the mouth of the med your baltic fleet is gonna be in real touble real quick… i hate losing the baltic fleet and not taking anything down with it…
ps how do i get an online game going?
But you can take out the UK BB without using the Med Fleet to do it, and probably not lose a single FIG.
1 SUB SZ8, 1 FIG Western, 1 FIG Norway, 1 FIG Germany against 1 German BB.
Odds are:
100% to kill the BB
90% w/o losing any FIGs
29% still having the SUB!
THat leaves the Med Fleet free to assist with Egypt, and the BB to absorb any potential hit from the SZ15 DST.
Taking Egypt with more force, even with bid units in Libya, is a good idea, since it potentially can prevent a UK counter, or at least reduce the UK forces present in Egypt for the G2 attack.
As for the UK fleet in SZ6…
W/o major assistance from the Luftwaffe, you lose, period.
Even using Germany’s TOTAL available resources (2 SUB, 1 DST, 1 TRN, 1 AC, 5 FIG, 1 BOM) against an SZ6 fleet of 1 AC, 2 FIG, 1 BB, 2 TRN, 1 SUB on G2 the odds are indeed good for a win (97%) but your most likely remaining forces are only 4 FIG and a BOM (1 FIG suicides from Libya due to loss of AC). That is not that great of a trade, especially since UK still has 1 more TRN in the water from start, and the US fleet will be arriving later that round to fill in the gaps.
Meanwhile, no AF was available for attacks on Norway (taken in UK1), Ukraine (re-taken by Russia in R2), or to re-take Egypt (liberated on UK1).
The opportunity cost is dreadful!
ps how do i get an online game going?
Review the info on Dicey’s etc at these links
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=5125.0
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=6512.0
And post that you are looking for an opponent here:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?board=52.0
thanks for the links…yeah the uk bs in the med is toast(with the ger bs there the sub will almost always live and it frees up a fighter) + germany has got 6 figs to into the fleet with so yah 1 splashes in the english channel…thats if it doesnt get shot down 1st(this senario more likely) so the uk loses:1 bs 24 ipcs vs ger 1 ac 16
1 ac 16 1 des 12
1 des 12 1 fig
2 fig 20
2 trns 16
1 sub 8 net 96ips
oops that was a mistake…anyway to continue…
2 subs 16
1 trn 8 net 62ipcs
so anywho so the difference in loss of ipcs is 34…couple that with fact that that uk navy, 1st round buy, and 2/3s of the air force gone germany has bought itself tons of breathing room to clean up norway, egypt, ect next round and still march toward moscow with inf and art purchases… also med fleet still alive
5 FIGs to start.
You keep forgetting that dead Ukraine FIG.
thats a whole other can of worms…you would leave your rus arm in ukr to take out a single fig? if so then ger has to go with 1 ac, 1 fig, 1 arm, 3 inf on r1. with the dead tanks russia looks alot less of a threat.
With a WR Stack, massed INF in Caucuses, and a build that includes a Russian Fig… No problem!
But with combining WR and Ukraine you get to kill 6 INF, 2 ARM, 2 ART, and a FIG.
Nice trade, even giving up 2 ARM for it.
so your not a fan of the ‘stafing’ tactic in ukr? to me that seems to make more sense(or belorussia)
I am too used to a bid INF in Belo, so I tend to go Ukraine.
Besides, All I NEED to do as Russia is trade in dentral Europe for a while, not hold it :-)
